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  • Okay my turn to host the new main discussion thread.

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    • @Zilla - So I've managed to organize my time a bit more and I'm beginning my part in the Mendel Schism, although I'm quite late on this I'm going to try and squeeze Tyris Major into the war in some fashion.

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    • @Zilla - So I've added a portion called "A Message to Tyris Major", however I'm not 100% sure if Kirta or The Hand should be contacting Brygon first about Barda Clett's death (heartbreaking by the way).

      I wrote some interactions with The Hand there already but I'm not familiar with his speech patterns or how he would even speak to Brygon. I just went with what I could think of at the moment.

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    • @Glynn - The hand probably. Kirta has to run off and hide.

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    • @Zilla - Alrighty then. Is what I have published already sound about right or would you rather edit the interaction yourself? I sorta stopped midway to get your opinion.

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    • Zilla, I thought of an interesting idea for a Cyber Collective unit. I have not figured out what they would be called yet, but here is the idea: They are a race or group of creatures who were depressed in their old lives and joined the ACC. The implants they received made them into berserker-type units. But if the implants are destroyed, their apathy comes to the surface and at the slightest hint of discomfort or discontent, their lack of self preservation makes them just kill themselves. Kind of hard to explain, but that is the best I can think of. What do you think? Sound like something the ACC would use?

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    • I have arrived. Bow to your lord and master!

      @Crimson: With the reversal once the link is broken and everything, that sounds more like a Leviathan Hive-unit. Well, either that or a cruel joke Mortox would play. Overall, it's a good and rather unique idea!

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    • For some reason I thought it would be a Leviathan unit more. But whatever. Use them as you wish.

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    • @Eco - We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune.

      Oh, by the way the Scelus Purification's attack and the Return of the Devourers are now the same conflict due to serious retcon in the origins of the Vanara and Scelus.

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    • I would prefer to be Anarcho-Communist.

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    • Monty Python reference.

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    • Oh.

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    • Hey Gorzill, what governmental system do you like best?

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    • Don't care to much, just so long as its non-oppressive, has low corruption, and is effective.

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    • Sounds like fantasy.

      I am sort of a feudalist myself. I like the mix of primitism, confederation, and monarchism.

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    • Perhaps. Ideologies, sides, factions, or whatever have you don't really factor into my decision making. I just do what I think is right.

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    • Without the drive to do what's right, there can be no progresss.

      Rhetoric often rings hollow because the speaker does not truly believe in what is said. That is why populism is so easily discerned. Someone who advocates what (s)he truly believes in, not just what is on his/her mind at the moment, is not only just as easily recognised, but will also galvanize others. In short, heart, not words, are of importance.

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    • I haven't thought about what governmental system I prefer.If it were an ideal world I would lean towards a Socialist-Democracy. But given how the world works these days it would be hard to get it to work without the right leadership.

      My Empires sorta have their own things going on in terms of government but many of them lean towards monarchy, which isn't exactly my favorite choice.

      • Volver - Meritocratic-Monarchy with Socialist ideas implemented. Only the strongest bloodline can rule, and the more accomplished you are the better your accommodations. However the lower ranking citizens are not ostracized and are given the healthcare and education benefits that the nobles have.
      • Soldarians - More of a Democratic-Monarchy. The Pulporious line has just been very successful in keeping the people happy so they aren't voted out of power.
      • Antroths - True Monarchy, quite Matriarchal, and pretty sexist actually. Women hold all of the true political power whereas men are used as warriors and for breeding. Females of a higher status are even allowed to take males from females who are lower on the ladder. Males have rights, but are required to at least produce one offspring in their lifetime.
      • Lavatufts - Basically an Kratocratic-Autocracy. A much more violent form of the Volver government. It is actually encouraged that warriors try to kill the current ruler if they disagree with them. But given how Lavern ruled for over 8000 years before he handed the mantle down to his son, many warriors fell by his hands.
      • Biskin - A Kratocratic-Ethnocracy. Basically, they believe that the strongest clan should rule, but only if that clan is one of the four Prime Biskin clans. All "lesser" Biskin are forbidden from becoming the King or Queen. The Biskin are still kind of racist. Not as much as they used to be, but are quite strict about this rule.
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    • I like the Volver one best.

      Say, are there any Antroth families who think they should overthrow Si'daal and take over? Since you have been gone, I made a new character called Fenric Vermillion and he is trying to unite enough supporters to overthrow the old UAE empires if they do not submit to him. If there were any dissident Antroth royal houses, it would make sense for him to contact them.

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    • I haven't thought of it in great detail, though despite these rules Queen Si'daal is a fair and just ruler. The males don't necessarily feel oppressed considering they have all been raised and conditioned to like the system they are in. Many of them dream to be the mating partner of high ranking women, as men of such status actually are above the demands of women lower than his mate.

      There won't be another rebellion amongst the Volver for sometime, as Kyaan went on a massive manhunt and uprooted many of people who would have attempted to start one. Soldarians are quite loyal to the Emperor, so I'm not sure if they have a reason to rebel. Now, Lavatufts could be convinced to become loyal to another party who isn't their king. Some Lavatufts don't think they should be under the boot of the Volver, seeing as they are a "weaker" species in comparison. Lavern, Magmos, and Blaize know how powerful they are, but don't mind that the Volver are the voice of Tyris Major. Though I'm not 100% sure if that's going to be a big deal later.

      The Biskin are actually quite tired of war and are still recovering, so any rebellions are unlikely. If anyone were to rebel it would be directed at the Volver as well, because at one point the Biskin were the most powerful empire in Tyris Major and they were basically usurped by the Volver.

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    • As far as my empires go.

      • Persan - Democratic stratocracy. Only those who reach a certain military rank can run for political office and military service is mandatory (not that you need to serve an active combat role), but with leaders being voted on the citizens having vast freedoms and the ability to make appeals to government. Due to military promotion being based on merit there is also heavy elements of meritocracy and group mind thanks to the empathetic connection.
      • Scelus Purification - Hive Mind
      • Scelus Reformation - Hive Mind with democratic elements as their hive mind is much like an individual with multiple personalities that make decisions via consensus.
      • Affonire Republic - Democracy and Ethnocracy. Basically their a democractic nation, but with a bunch of other countries of species seen as lesser under their thumb that they make do all their fighting for them. The Affonire are a deconstruction of democracies and pacifists always being good guys as the racist system by which they are run could be overthrown if the people stopped electing leaders that reinforced said racist system.
      • Trahoxi Imperium - Hegemonic monarchy. They're ruled by a ruling family, but their control is very loose and may of the government systems of the civilizations they conquered or absorbed still remain.
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    • So in short, many rebellions would be directed at the Volver for being the dominant Empire in Tyris Major.

      Most empires who were any real threat to peace have been dealt with.

      • Waternans - Extinct. Lavern wiped them out.
      • Biskin - Pacified. They are no real threat anymore.
      • Infectants - Currently wiped out, Though Beta still roams the cosmos. Not a threat unless given some support.
      • Volver Separatists - Some cells still remain, though they aren't a huge threat without any real support.
      • Doopy - While they inhabit the same planet as the Volver, they don't pose a real threat anymore since they do hold seats of power in the UAE.
      • Crictonians - Presumed Extinct, wiped out by Queen Vi'Serra of the Antroths.
      • Spydorians - Presumed Extinct. An unjust mass genocide committed by Mad Queen Xi'Qui of the Antroths (Queen Si'Daal's mother.)
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    • @Crimson - Although...I do remember that Si'Daal most likely has cousins who are extremely opposed to her rule. They are descendants of Queen Vi'Serra's sister, Ra'Tana. I haven't really thought about them much though because I kind of forgot the whole Spydorian genocide happened until I re-read the pages.

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    • Right, then I can see Fenric promising the Lavatufts a new empire independent from the Volver, free to do whatever they want, while he really only intends to use them as shock troops. Then again, it is my guess that the Lavatufts hate the Grox, and one of Fenric's pillars of support is that he wants to rid the universe of the Grox. But he may also contact Beta and bring him in as one of his lieutenants, and buy as many Waternan guns as he can in case the Lavatufts turn on him.

      On a similar matter, Fenric gets influenced by a priestess from a new sect of Adaism, one that uses orange rather than red. She tells him that he is Ada's new chosen one and that he is destined to get his power and save the universe. In short, Adaism without Ada. Enough to con some zealots, but not enough for him to risk his own power by actually allying with Ada himself. That alright with you?

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    • That's interesting. Quite realistic as well considering historically how people have altered religion to push their goals. Ada can't directly engage with anyone anymore anyways, as the Dark One has absorbed him.

      The Lavatufts are also one of the main reasons Tyris Major is so hard to invade. They are simply extremely hard to kill and very powerful. But now, with Lavatufts on the opposing side they could be in trouble. King Gartoom, while a lover of peace, did have a very small amount of Waternan weapons replicated in secret just in case the Lavatufts decided to turn on them. Though at this point in time, Dr. Que is the only man who has the knowledge on how to replicate them. Though he finds the weapons extremely unethical and refuses to make any more.

      Beta only has a small stockpile of around 20 or so weapons that can kill a Lavatuft almost instantly. He is unable to replicate them as the weapons are primed to basically fry all internal systems should they be tampered with incorrectly, making them useless. What's worse is he only has ammo for his handgun, and the cannon that Anthil used to kill Lavern.

      Now what Beta really wants is to start another plague. Promise him that and he just might come around. And pretty much all Tyris Major races hate the Grox. The Lavatufts mostly due to the fact that they were forced to fend them off for centuries.

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    • Fenric would undoubtedly promise Beta that. He might offer him the bodies of anyone who does not bend their knee to him, so long as he turns his new scourge against the Grox.

      Probably a good thing Beta has so few weapons. Otherwise Fenric might get it in his mind to arm his Lavatuft supporters with them to kill Magmoss & Blaize.

      Fenric's faction might at first seem overpowered, but most of his army is puffed up to look bigger; he has some mercs, tribals, and a few rebels on his side, and though his forces do grow rather large, he is not an unbalancing force. He might be a problem for a while, but he will get cut down to size or maybe even killed. Though his Orange Priestess may tell him so, and part of him may believe it, Fenric will not be purging the universe of Grox and Xhodocto, nor will he bend all of Mirus and the Milky Way to his rule.

      Is Dr. Que dead or alive?

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    • Beta would definitely fight the Grox if it means spreading the plague. Infectants have no qualms with fighting anyone, even their allies, which is why people normally don't trust Beta. And the problem with the Infectant Virus is that it is unpredictable and hard to cure. Dr. Que cured the Second Plague and if I'm recalling things correctly the First Plague was wiped out by the Lavatufts thorugh sheer force many years back.

      Lavatufts normally would be opposed to using Waternan weapons even if they were rebels. Those guns killed thousands of their people, which is a lot considering only about 40,000 Lavatufts even exist. Their breeding rates are quite low since they live extremely long and don't see reproducing as a necessity for survival. Hell, Blaize is 102 years old and He's still considered a mere child by Lavatuft standards.

      And yes, Dr. Que is still alive. Quite old, But alive. Dr. Talihar Que.

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    • @Glynn - By the way it was decided that Accel Space would be the home of the respective afterlives of the Waptoria, Persan, Mendel, and maybe a few others. If you want your welcome to add any of your race's afterlives. Also might want to check this out ->[1]

      @Crimson - Same goes for you.

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    • 40,000? Damn.

      I bet Fenric would find a way of talking a few Lavatuft into taking some of Beta's guns to kill Magmoss or Blaize. You know, do this nasty and you can rule the Lavatuft or something, or, just two more deaths and your people can live in peace. That kind of honey-coated manipulative nonsense. Since Lavern just died, I assume you have no intention of killing off Magmoss?

      Dr. Que survived the Singularity? Good, I guess. I wonder, perhaps Fenric could convince Que to give him some of the Infectant anti-virus just in case Beta gets out of hand. I also doubt that Fenric would be able to convince the man to make Waternan weapons for him. Fenric does not believe in killing children like Krad did.

      For some reason, I seem to remember you stating years back, when I first joined in on writing the Great Mirusian War, that aside from Beta, Omega and Gamma also continued to live. I could have been mistaken.

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    • @Gorzill - I will check it out thanks!

      @Crimson - Well Beta is still alive of course, but Omega is definitely dead. Brygon killed him the first time and he was killed again during The Return. Gamma is probably dead as well but he's not really as threatening as Delta, Sigma, Zeta or Omega. Gamma is useful, as he is basically immune to pain and devoid of any emotion whatsoever. His only issue is that he's somewhat of a mutant and cannot regenerate his lost body parts like the others. He was mostly cybernetic when he died.

      And I believe Dr. Que was rescued, but I'd have to look back on it. Now Dr. Que is a man of science and considering he knows how deadly the Infectant virus can be, he would give the anti-virus to even his enemies. He would need a sample from the Hive-Mother/Father and would need a good amount of time before he could finish creating it. However, the anti-virus simply prevents you from being infected, rather than killing off the infection. Its more of a vaccine I suppose. The Plague can be stopped if the Hive-Mother/Father are killed, however should Beta create pure offspring their genetic make up would be slightly different, and if they started a plague Dr. Que would have to make ANOTHER Anti-Virus. That is why they are dangerous if left unchecked.

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    • If Beta's grandchild created a plague and then it creates a child that makes another plague, it could be damn-near impossible to cure.

      Maybe I should change how the anti-virus works though. Do you guys think that it should be able to kill those who are already infected?

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    • Oh so were Beta to betray Fenric, he would have to kill both Beta and any new pureform Infectants he created in order to end the plague?

      Is Magmoss likely to die then or not? Assassinated by insurgent Lavatufts, I mean.

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    • I think the anti-virus should wipe out the infected as well, otherwise it would be almost impossible to stop the Infectants.

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    • I didn't have any real plans to kill off Magmos as of now. Blaize is too young to really rule and his story with Niyra and the gang isn't quite done. That'd be hard to do if he were forced to become king.

      And yes, Fenric would have to kill Beta and any pureform children he produces. But I do have limitations in place regarding the plagues so they aren't too OP. Pure Infectants can only be created by the one that started the current plague. Hive-Minds can only create a pureform child if they have biomass from an entire population. Beta had so many siblings because his mother was extremely effective at committing genocide and had the Biskin backing her. So she had millions of bodies to work with. Hive-Minds are able to die like any other Pure Infectant in their early stages, though once they achieve a certain level of power and influence, such as the level Beta's Mother did, they become almost unstoppable.

      They all have a common weakness though. Every Infectant, even the Pure ones, have a "Core". The body you see is merely trickery, as their organs and brains are actually in their core rather than their heads. If it is COMPLETELY destroyed, then the Infectant is dead. A Pure Infectant cannot regenerate after that.

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    • Lavatufts have similar anatomy as well. Their Cores are their hearts and souls. It's harder to destroy considering it isn't fleshy like an Infectant's, but it can be destroyed with great force or simply draining it of power.

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    • So Beta could only make what? Four, five pureforms with the resources Fenric provides him?

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    • Possibly. Although Beta probaby wouldn't create any unless he deemed it necessary

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    • What, he would stick to regular Infectants so nobody challenged his power?

      By the way, I was wondering. Why is every Volver not an Adaist? They know for a fact that he created them. How can they worship any other religion knowing that it is false?

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    • Well remember how I said every Prime Infectant is slightly different from their parent? Usually the children have most of the traits and abilities of the parent but they all have a unique difference. These slight differences come in the form of mutations that either hinder or bolster the survivability of the child. The parent cannot choose and is usually unaware of the child's mutation unless it's physically apparent. Gamma having no regeneration factor for instance is a mutation.

      Beta's mutation is simple: Free Will. He was born without a direct connection his mother's mental network, so he was able to develop his cunning intellect and resourcefulness without her ever knowing. He learned to use guns by simply observing his foes and even learned how to mess with politics behind the scenes rather than attack upfront. This is what makes him dangerous. He even was plotting to overthrow his mother before her death, but decided to simply leave her fate to the UAE while he escaped their homeworld's destruction. Beta doesn't want to risk creating an offspring that is just as cunning as he is and with a mutation he might not know about.

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    • I thought Omega wasted Beta during the Second Infectant War?

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    • Also, The Volver simply choose not to be Adaist because they want to spite their creator. They willfully deny his god status and worship the gods they've been worshiping for centuries now just to piss him off.

      And the thing about their gods is that they aren't actually gods. Their pantheon are simply a group of powerful Nyarqaeshu who were once students of Ada. The Volver don't know that, but that's how things are. Basically their ancestors mistook the actions of Ada and his students as the acts of the gods.

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    • So is Ada pretty much out of the picture now?

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    • Unless Ada can escape The Dark One's grasp, he's but a voice in the head of a god.

      And Beta escaped during The Return after he was revived. Omega killed Beta for his insubordination back in the Second Infectant War. Lavern simply decided to glass Floo again during the reconstruction period after the Return just to make sure nothing popped up again.

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    • Oh, I see.

      So Ada is not released from Dark's grip during the ne'er-to-be-written Great Mirusian Conflicts?

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    • I'm not sure honestly. Does the universe truly need Ada to return? His race has been cut down to a handful of individuals who are not willing to do his bidding, the Deity Pulse exists and is capable of stripping a god of their power for a few seconds, although such a weapon requires a long recharge time. Ada would simply attempt to bring order like he did before.

      Now I thought that perhaps Zataura Ada would be the key to bringing Ada back, but she doesn't want to do that.

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    • I think another return of Ada would be more of the same. He was a great one-shot primary antagonist, but if he came back the situation would almost completely repeat itself.

      I enjoyed Ada's parts in the Infectant War and Enlightenment War, though. I did not root for him, but I did like how well-written his secret interference was. Actually when I read the Return of THEM at first I did not know who Ada was, I thought the leader of THEM was Speville, so yeah, great writing there.

      What parts will Zataura have to play later?

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    • I wanted to write a side story about how Brygon met Zataura, but I got sidetracked. Her initial role was to bring Ada back or at least pick up on where he left off should he fall. Zataura is now trying to blend into UAE society and wants to help Brygon understand his new powers. Although they both came to understand each other rather closely if you catch my drift.

      And thanks for the compliment! It was quite difficult to write him to be honest. Many major events that happened in Tyris Major were due to his influence in one way or another. And when he became active, it was due to Ne'yon opening that portal waaaay back in the Nebulorian-Alpha War. Ada was able to force his energy back into our universe, allowing him to influence others besides Ne'yon. It was subtle, but you could see is influence grow larger and larger as the wars continued.

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    • I am proud of Ada I suppose. He's the biggest bad I've written in terms of this fiction. I probably won't make an even bigger bad because I'm not sure if I even can. I mean, there is the Void itself but I'm not even sure I wanna even give the void a personality.

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    • Well no I suppose you could not give the void a personality. All it is is another dimension right?

      Hey, I need to go to bed. It is like 2 in the morning on my time zone. Been nice chatting with you. Welcome back, by the way. Hope you can find the time to keep writing with us.

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    • Thanks. It feels great to be back. Well, for as long as I can at least. Things might get a little more busy later on but I'm not expecting to be gone for as long as I was before.

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    • My turn now:

      • Waptoria: A direct consensus democracy/group-mind. Member states might have their own, sometimes hereditary rulers, but as a whole, the Alliance of Species is governed down-up. The Council of Life is mainly symbolic and to make communication to other states easier.
      • Imperium of War: A kraterocratic stratocracy/absolute monarchy. One needs to have served in the government to occupy any governmental position whatshowever. Military promotion and nobility is purely based on one's deeds on the battlefield, so there are heavy elements of a meritocracy as well. In fact, nobles that show cowardice are stripped of their rank instantly. The Imperator holds absolute power, but his successor must be adopted, and is supposed to be the strongest Dragowar alive other than the current Imperator.
        • Dragowar Warbands: A pure kraterocraty. Might makes right, everything else doesn't matter. Succession is handled by killing the ruling Warmaster.
        • Consulate of Praxis: A gerontocratic meritocracy. The reformed Dragowar still promote one based on his/her deeds, but since the military is oficially non-existent, these needs need to happen outside of battle. The original Rebel Consuls are still in power, but the pacified youth looks up to them so they're safe.

      @Crimson: Adaism uses dark blue, black and bright cyan as it's colors, in that order. The ony ones using red were Crimson's followers (and the groups splintering from them), not Adaists as a whole.

      @Glynn: I like Ada the manipulator way better than Ada the destroyer. So I'd be open to Ada coming back, but then as a neutral force. Make him the manipulator without the evil, someone to whom the notions of good and evil are totally alien. Someone who sees both the positive and the negative in people and views them in terms of potential rather that moral alignment. Someone does not concern itself with retribution for previous defeats and instead plans to remove both Dark and Zaraturai from play for the greater good of everyone. Whether others agree with him or not is utterly irrelevant - he knows what he is doing and if someone opposes him, then they only prove how short-sighted they are.

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    • @Eco - Ada has made it clear that he doesnt like Dark or Zaraturai. Should Dark get out of control and attempt to plunge the universe in darkness, Ada will step in and try to stop him. Should Zaraturai attempt to destroy the darkness, Ada will step in and try to stop her. And the concept of good and evil is something Ada tries to cast aside, but we must all remember that he was a mortal once and still has some emotions left in him despite the Void consuming him. He believes his actions are good, and the actions of those against him arent necessarily evil, but rather they are foolish.

      Also Ive written my afterlives on the Accel Space page if you wanna check it out.

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    • @Glynn: I've read it. The Dragowar afterlife is actually very similar to the Soldarian one, if not actually the one and the same. Probably because they share the same cultural root inspiration. Of course, like all Darkling followers, Darking-corrupt Dragowar (such as Caligustus) have their souls absorbed by their Darkling god as energy when they die, so they won't arrive. Since the mayority of the modern Dragowar have been worshipping the Darklings, Dragowar would only begin to show up in the afterlife when the purified Consulate of Praxis was formed.

      I guess Void followers simply get obliterated instantly when they die, getting the oblivion they so long for.

      @Gorzill: Any theory as to how our afterlives ended up in Accel Space? Perhaps some sort of metaphysical migration due to the alliances our races made?

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    • @Eco - Interesting question. That is one of my theories, the other is because the souls that end up in Accel Space are all birthed by the Intention of Will and then sent out into realspace where they are eventually drawn together because of the connection they all share. Both could easily be the case.

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    • Well Ada was capable of pulling souls from Callambea when he revived the previous Volver kings. Its possible Draedan thought it was a good idea to move the afterlives into Accel Space so that no one could draw upon the souls of the dead anymore?

      And Void Followers unfortunately go to their respective afterlives unless the current "god" has more use for their souls. Void Users however are consumed by the Void. Padunas Ori knew of the possobility that for Void Users there would be no afterlife, but if you were powerfily enough you could transend death entirely and become the Void rather than get obiterated by it.

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    • @Glynn: Sort of like the states of sunyata/nirvana? I like that.

      @Gorzill: Do our deities have seperate realms in Accel Space or are these included in the afterlife? I can't really see Xza'ran being a part of the Waptorian afterlife, for exemple, he was a mortal once and isn't dead to boot.

      ...So, where's Zilla?

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    • Hai

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    • Hi

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    • Wasn't there a realm of the gods, that might be a bit more appropriate since physical form can't exist in Accel Space, at least not without a Realizer.

      Keep in mind when Kirta's down there that's just her soul, her body is still in realspace.

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    • @Eco- Thanks. Unfortunately no Void users have successfully transcended death as of yet. At least I havent really considered writing much about it.

      @Gorzill - I think i included a Realm of the Gods in the universe layout image i made. The gods of Tyris Major reside there and i sorta thought all of the gods lived there in their own pocket worlds of the realm.

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    • I should probably write about the Waternans some time now that their weaponry is starting to resurface. And the S'actha since they are UAE members...and the Doopy Tribes. Huh I left a lot of things unwritten

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    • Hey, exactly how many Lavatufts will join Fenric?

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    • Bump

      So I'm subscribed to this thread.

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    • @Crimson - He could probably get himself about 2,000.

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    • 2,000? That would sure cause a mess. How do you kill a Lavatuft without Waternan weapons?

      Thinking about calling Fenric's faction a Covenant of some sort. Also I have been working on another video that will show how the Quista clan takes its side between Fenric and Glacier.

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    • Lavatufts while strong and intimidating are far from invincible. Here's a list:

      Alphorium - The metal can drain the energy that their Cores are generating.

      Fabricated Alphorium - It works at about half as well as real Alphorium, however it will melt if exposed to a Lavatuft's internal temperature fot a long time.

      Drowning - Lavatufts cant swim. At least very well that is. They can survive underwater for a while but their abilities are severely dampened.

      Explosions - Weaker lavatufts can have their constructs destroyed by strong enough explosions, exposing thier cores

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    • Really the only way to kill one is to destroy its core. Waternan weapons were specifically created to combat the Lavatufts. Though after defeating them the Lavatufts destroyed all that they could to prevent them from ever being mass produced again.

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    • @Eco - With those Proto-Rapptoraneans/Mendel you have in the east, I was wondering if there could be a few proto-Vanara in their ranks. They would basically be warriors who are only called upon when absolutely necessary cause if you think Vanara are scary now, their ancestors took that to an eleven.

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    • @Gorzill - Proto-wha?

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    • Proto-Rapptoraneans/Mendel. The base stock the Multus Esse used to engineer both.

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    • [1] - Hey guys, I added some meat to this. Tell me what you think.

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    • I like it. Its always fun to see the cultural differences between the Mendel of different galaxies.

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    • Hey Glynn, remember when I said that I had read that Gamma as well as Beta lived? I was reading our old Gigacon thread, and noticed that you said it was Delta, not Gamma. Is he still alive as of your current updates?

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    • Been working on this, tell me what you all think. ->[1]

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    • Dope. But, none of my guys made it onto the concerns list? The Others, Fenric, the now-rogue Scythe and Pseudopath?

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    • Been working more on the Vadyadhara. Have a look: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Vadyadhara

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    • @Crimson - Oh sorry about that, there's so many enemies that I lose track. Let's see, well none of the current powers who form Mad Tea Party have any real beef with the Scythe or Pseudopath at the moment. Persa is still neutral towards them and neither the Trahoxi or the Scelus Reformation really know them.

      As far as Fenric goes, hmmm. What would he make of Accel Space? Here's the page by the way ->Accel Space

      Nice job on the Vadyadhara by the way. Also with the Vanara's new origin we might have to rewrite their back story, sorry about that. I was thinking that they have been primal Vanara who were reduced to a lesser form and lost their connection to Accel Space which would make them Vanara no longer as Vanara must have a connection to Accel Space to be Vanara.

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    • I do not think Fenric cares much. He is too focused on taking "his" empire to focus on other dimensions. I doubt he would be actively hostile to these guys, but you can bet that he would never condone his own people looking into it.

      We can rewrite the Vadyadhara's backstory if you think it to be required.

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    • Yeah Ava no longer created the Vanara. They were born in a lab and were originally like Shoggoths, though made pathetic and weak so they would never be a threat. There were actually five Persacron responsible for making the Vanara into the super soldiers that would destroy the Eitren.

      Ava, who experimented on herself to see if it would work and forged their empathetic connection. Argent, a warlord who gave them their bloodlust and undying loyalty. Tandaris, a scientist who gave them their organizational abilities and adaptability. Azael, a priest who gave them the ability to face death with courage and their dogged determination. Finally there was Baharmat who first conceived and over saw the project.

      Ava has kept watch over the Vanara ever since, Tandaris fled with the Multus Esse, Azael and Argent are still in hiding, and Baharmat had the Vanara mercy kill him when the Eitren ordered him to turn on them.

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    • Almost finished our story. Let me know if you have anything more you want to add, we can finish this tomorrow. Any idea what you want to call the story?

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    • You on again tonight?

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    • I'm sorry but I have nothing else to add. Not unless I force it out and it very good if I do.

      In any case I'll try to think up a name here and get it published on the wiki when your finished up.

      Not really relevant this but it is kinda funny ->[1]

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    • What the hell, man?

      We could go on TP and just bullshit while I finish up the last part. Then you can read what I got and tell me if anything needs changing.

      I was also wondering. Should I bring Frostbie it at the last moment to kill the bad guy? It would fit the scene, but would it fit the story?

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    • Oh, that hadn't occurred to me. I'll be there at ten, I'm doing some research that I want to finish up.

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    • Aight.

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    • @Crimson - I'm probably going to leave Delta dead. It's probably better that way.

      @Grozil - I'm seeing some parallels between Ava and Draedan. Neither of them directly created the races that worshiped them, but have empathy for them since they did play a hand in their development and experienced the same things.

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    • K. All I even remember about him is that he was the guy with the spiked tail who got wasted by Brygon because he did not care what the sword was made out of.

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    • That does remind me, I've neglected the Infectants. They were at one point the most dangerous threat to life in Tyris Major, even though the Biskin were sort of calling the shots.

      @Gorzill - I've read into the Insurrection Virus a bit and it made me notice I never quite created an official origin for the Infectant Virus either. I sorta wrote it as a plague that struck suddenly and no one knows where it came from. Hell, it almost wiped out the Nyarqaesians at the height of their civilization.

      Do you think the two Viruses are connected in a way? Most Tyris Major races noted that the strain of the virus that sparked the First Infectant War originated on planet Floo, but are unaware of the fact that it originated far out in space beyond their galaxy.

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    • I had to...

      Delta
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    • @Crimson - That actually gave me a good laugh. Yup, Delta had a lapse in judgement there. Alphorium was created to be the ultimate metal, though we have since found metals that are on par with it in terms of durability and abilities.

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    • When I was younger I wanted a tungsten sword with a cobalt edge, but thinking back I think that would kill the wielder as well.

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    • Probably.

      I guess my next project will be to go in depth with the Infectants after I finish up my parts in the Mendel Schism.

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    • Yeah I think the Mendel Schism will be where Glacier finally dies. I just got done mixing up a theme tune for Fenric. I might upload it later.

      We gonna bring the Beta-Fenric partnership in full-swing here or only show the beginning of it? And the Lavatufts, will that happen now or does the Lavatuft Republic not have anything to do with the Schism?

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    • I don't know if the Lavatufts should get involved. If Lavern were alive, he'd definitely raise an army to avenge Barda. But Magmos, while he respected Barda greatly, is more than likely trying to work on the Lavatuft Republic's infrastructure at the moment.

      I'm not sure if I wanna hand off the Soldarian Empire from Pulporious V to Pulporious VI, seeing as the next generation of characters seem to be taking over. Pulporious V is quite old anyways, and he's nearing the end of his life. Knowing him he'd want to go out in battle instead of in a hospital bed.

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    • Any one of my characters would be happy to oblige.

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    • Hmm...that's a thought for the future.

      So the thing about Pulporious VI is that, unlike his father, He's a bit more arrogant and elitist. He's a fantastic warrior, having trained under Barda, and with Brygon, and other masters. But his personality is what makes his ability to lead a little dodgy.

      He believes since he is of royal blood that he is by default the most elite there is. Even though Brygon is a part of the same bloodline, Pulporious VI only respects him as a warrior rather than a member of his family since Brygon is halfbred.

      He also thinks that he has claim to whatever he wants, including women. Soldarians instinctively want mates who are strong and assert dominance. Dione, even at her young age, is among the strongest female Soldarians in the galaxy. So naturally he wants her for himself. Which is a problem because she loves Vonnes and Soldarians still have a hit and miss relationship with the Biskin.

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    • This guy sounds like a dick.

      Something tells me he will not rule for very long with that attitude.

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    • That's one way of putting it. He is kind of an asshole. Brygon is a king and his second-cousin, but Pulporious VI chooses not to acknowledge that they are related. Brygon is understandably upset about this.

      Dione constantly dodges Pulporious VI's advances but he continues to try and win her heart. Which is why he appointed her to his personal guard. As a member of the Soldarian Military she must obey the command or her family risks dishonor. Her father, Alexio, is actually pretty damn racist and would be more than happy to offer up his daughter to the future Emperor to keep her away from the "ice savage" Vonnes.

      He isn't aware that Dione is in love with Vonnes yet, but as Soldarian instinct goes, he would probably attempt to kill Vonnes in single combat if he has to in order to assert his dominance. This of course would piss off King Ziskin and spark another war. If Vonnes wins, then there will be no war, as the Soldarians will honor the victor since it was a duel. But the Pulporious bloodline would end.

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    • Could P. the Fifth pop out another kid if number six died?

      Ice savage?

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    • Well, Technically Brygon is a member of the Pulporious family tree. So he'd probably be the last descendant which could make him an heir to the Soldarian Empire

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    • "Ice Savage" Is sort of a derogatory term Soldarians used to call Biskin back in the old days. Biskin come from a very cold planet and were noted to be very blood thirsty and savage like. Even though the Biskin are more refined now, some Soldarians such as Alexio still call them that.

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    • Oh, I see. Makes me think of the ice tribes up north in Canada's Northern Territories.

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    • Dione is sort of sought after by the elite males of Soldarian society due to he strength and bloodline. She's the granddaughter of Bengo Flett, who was one of the greatest warriors the Soldarians ever produced. She even survived an illness that usually has a 100% fatality rate among Soldarian hatchlings. And her being an essence user was just icing on the cake.

      Basically Soldarian men are obsessed with continuing their bloodlines, and they always look for women who would produce strong offspring. Alexio worries about it too and only wants the strongest Soldarian males to even have a chance with his daughter, the strongest being Pulporious VI.

      Pulporious V is usually too busy to deal with his son's behavior and only addresses it when things start to get out of hand.

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    • I was just reading about your team Tyris characters, and I must say you are one hell of an artist. Did you really do all those by hand?

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    • Oh thanks. Yeah I drew all of those a while back. I've been improving ever so slightly. I've been working on my other fictional work and I haven't actually drawn my Tyris characters in a while. Maybe I should for old times sake.

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    • @Glynn - Niyra migh have something to say about all the above with Dionne and VI. Considering that she's now a eldritch abomination hive mind of hundreds of chrono clones it could make things interesting .

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    • Glynn, can you draw Morg? He is a character I could never get right. He is a Raptoranean-Soldarian hybrid (on Eco's request years ago), but now with some Darkling characteristics. He is covered in scars, including one that runs down the top of his head. He uses two scimitars and a Halo Plasma Rifle-like nanobot gun that he shoots sideways like a gangster. Think you could draw him?

      By the way, what do you picture Fenric as looking like? I want to make him in Spore, but I have no idea what he should look like.

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    • @Gorzill - Awesome. It was a plot point I wanted to move along for a while. It's also nice to see how far Niyra has come. I've only had a few plans for team Tyris' future as they continue to mature.

      @Crimson - Sure I could give it a shot. Not sure about Fenric though. But since Morg is half Soldarian I've got an idea of what to draw.

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    • I only meant if you had any sort of idea what Fenric looked like, you could tell me so I could make him in Spore.

      His theme, by the way [1]

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    • @Glynn - Awesome, Vanara are extremely loyal to their friends and regard family as more then just bloodlines so Six's attitude will really grind Niyra's gears. On an interesting note Niyra never actually considered Vonnes as a romantic interest, she only ever had eyes for Makoro. Female Vanara tend to look for mates that complement them personality wise in a sorta opposites attract way. They also tend to chose their first friend as a mate (when you become sexually mature at age three this makes more sense). Anyone else who tries to hit on Niyra is going to get shot down big time.

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    • @Crimsonfire: Wow. How did you make that? Gven that he has Citadelian origins, could Glacier die in the War of Thorns (the Waptorian-Citadelian final showdown)? It happens in between the NE war and the Mendel Shism, so I would be willing to host the showdown between Frenric's forces and Glacier's BB renmants there as well, if you wish. The Shism focusses on the Mendel instead of the Aeba Shuka/Citadel of Sentients anyways, and is already crowded as it stands, unlike the War of Thorns, which is still nearly blank as far as events are concerned. Alternatively, it seems big enough to be a war on it's own, which I would like to join in that case.

      @Glynn: Warmaster Brutius has make it his life goal to kill Pulporious V as to avenge his adoptive father Caligustus. He was always the unquestioningly loyal one, and V and VI did the deed, after all. If anyone else takes V down before him, they'll then have to deal with a dogged Dragowar Warmaster next, one that is raging mad at "his" kill being denied.

      In fact, not only Brutius, but each Dragowar Warband has a sworn enemy that they'll try to take out, or die taking out in the progress. These sworn enemies are:

      • Ionius "the Thunderous"" - Draekar Remnant
      • Brutius "the Pummeler" - Soldarian Empire
      • Gaibenius "the Relentless" - Mendel Pact
      • Decimius "the Headhunter" - Waptoria Alliance of Species
      • Displasmius "the Charger" - Troodontid Empire
      • Habarkius "the Shieldbreaker" - The Hegemony
      • Malagius "the Curseling" - United Federation of Species -> United Persan Descendants
      • Fexonatius "the Bloody Omen" - Aeoneonatrix Empire -> Mirusian Theocratic Congregation

      All also try to destroy the Consulate of Praxis when they have the change. Well, all aside from one so focussed on his quarry that he doesn't care about these "lesser" Dragowar:

      • Bruteigon, Overseer Princeps - Draconid Imperium

      Most of these enemies stem actually back to the Great Deceiver War, when the Warmasters were first concieved. (During which Brutius, for exemple, was tasked with fighting the Enlightenent Collabortaive, including the Soldarians, Habarkius was captured by the Hegemony, and Displasmius kept losing to the Troodontid Empire). Bruteigon is anti-Draconid because that's where Hedon Morillium is.

      I also have some sketches myself but don't know how to upload them.

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    • @Eco - Fexonatius grudge against the MTC might cause problems with the Trahoxi since they aren't going to let him pursue it without losing his vassalage to them. I wonder what UPD did to piss off Malagius?

      I generally use the scanner on my printer for uploading sketches, if you don't have access one of those, best I can suggest is take a picture.

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    • Aside from being at war with the Imperium of War, the Persan didn't specifically piss off Malagius. He just wants to pillage their Dark Magic lore, simmilarly to the reason he went after the USF (due to their ability to smoothly combine (nano)technology with essence).

      I plan for Fexonatius to lose his vassalage to the Trahoxi eventually for that very reason, though he respects them well enough for their seperation to be cordial.

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    • Eco, I put together different sounds in Audacity, mixed volumes and pitches, and added sounds like screams and drumbeats. It did not take very long. Glad you like it.

      If you want Glacier to die before the Schism, sure. I can live with that.

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    • No more Spore stuff from me for a while, guys. The only working mouse I have is a wireless and I have no batteries for it now, so it may be a few days before I can upload any more Spore stuff. I have some older pics I had already planned to upload, but apart from that...

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    • @Eco - Well Soldarians and Volver are quite alike in terms of vengeance and honor. Pulporious V would probably accept Warmaster Brutius' challenge if it's single combat. Which, in that case Pulporious VI probably wouldn't try to avenge his father if he is killed due to Soldarian honor. However if killed in open combat on the battlefield or say if his flagship was destroyed, Pulporious VI would hunt Brutius down alongside his Super Elites.

      @Gorzill - Vonnes thinks of Niyra as a friend actually. He thinks she's too young for him to be a romantic interest (Even if her species matures quicker than his). Dione and Vonnes are the only ones who are actually sexually mature when Niyra first meets them. Dione actually used to have a crush on Blaize. But their biology is so different that a physical relationship wouldn't work out.

      As for Pulporious VI, I wrote him as "That guy you don't like but is helpful when you need him".

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    • @Glynn - Its interesting to see how are different species view relationships and what they look for in mate. By the way didn't you once say that Timaal might start hitting on Niyra as she grows stronger? Just thinking it would be funny to have some of the other males at the academy start hitting on Niyra only to be shot down in an instant while she goes and fawns over Makoro.

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    • @Gorzill - Timaal has a crush on her, but Volver boys are raised to be gentlemen so he would accept her rejection. But being from a noble bloodline, being mentored by the Valishar himself, and being an already accomplished warrior is making him quite popular amongst the females of his own kind and some Soldarians.

      I could summarize what all of my races look for in a mate if you're interested. I did type it but when I replied the site completely deleted everything

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    • @Glynn - Yeah that would be cool. Being a friend Niyra would let him down easy. I'll have to look at my different races before complying a list, a good chunk is going to be asexual though.

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    • Also just finished Dione Ardal's new design. This version of her is after gaining her rank as a Super Elite and putting her name in Soldarian History forever. She's more confident, les hotheaded, and has become a true beacon of hope and leadership. She modeled her armor after her grandfather's to honor his sacrifice decades before her birth.

      Dione Ardal Super Elite

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    • Quite the difference from her brash and arrogant younger self.

      Dione Pose

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    • @Glynn - That looks awesome! I'm working on one of adult Niyra, might be awhile though.

      When it comes to relationships with my races.

      • Vanara - Looks for someone who compliments themselves personality and ability wise. Also tend to form strong attachments to childhood friends.
      • Boyk - Aren't asexual, but their all vat born and tend not to form romantic relationships or have recreational sex like Vanara do.
      • Verasien - Are not asexual, but don't form romantic relationships. They get together for giant bug orgies and then anyone involved in the orgy raises the children born afterwards.
      • Aranthrone and Demonica - Impart their spiritual essence into another object (wild animals and dead corpses respectively) to create a new member of their race.
      • Apex Scelus, Taron, Precore Dragons - All asexual. Each reproduce in a way that doesn't involve any sex.
      • Doroth - Fight for mates with pairs being mated based on ranking.
      • Re'Ghul - Have a free love culture, but do form romantic realtionships in the same way as humans because they are humans.
      • Axengelion - Despite being a manufactured race they do form romantic relationships. What they look for though is so diverse there's no trend.

      Demonica, Boyk, and Doroth can form romantic relationships, it just doesn't happen enough for there to be an observable trend.

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    • @Glynn - That's a very awesome picture. You're very good at drawing. ^^

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    • Thanks guys. Ive improved a bit since then.

      As for my races:

      • Volver - Volver tend to choose mates vased on their combat prowess, rank, and social status. Personality is important but there are more evolutionary traits they look for in a mate too. Males with large antlers attract females quite easily. Since Volver are capable of reproduction with any species, they choose mates from other soecies based on their adaptations and cultural similarities. Pairings between Volver-Ugandalorian and Volver-Soldarian pairings are becoming more common.
      • Soldarians - Soldarians choose mates based on their strength and physicque. Their ability to assert their dominance over other Soldarians is also important. Males like females who can bear them many offspring. Family units arent common among Soldarians and children dont neccesarily spend time with their parents. Interspecies relationships arent too common amongst Soldarians, though they are capable of reproducing with Ugandalorians and Volver. Raptoraneans are not common mates but its believed they have compatable genes too.
      • Antroths - Males do not have a say in who their mates are. Females choose their mates based on the male's combat prowess, bloodline, and the thickness of their exoskeleton. Males are honored to produce offspring with females who are of high social standing. It's not odd to see Antroths females engage in same sex relationships however. Interspecies relationships arent common but reproduction is possible with species similar to them or Volver.
      • Biskin - Biskin are not usually very romantic. They reproduce simply because they must. Do do have some feelings for their offspring and their mates, though family units arent common. The appendage on their heads actually shows their health, strength and fertility. Interspecies relationships have never occurred and there are no natural born crossbreeds.
      • Lavatufts - To outsiders, Lavatuft mating isn't a widely known thing. Lavatuft males must confess their attraction to a female. The female can accept his feelings and then challenges the male to a fight. If he proves his strength to her by defeating her, she will accept him as her mate. Interspecies relationships haven't been observed and it's unknown if offspring are able to be produced from such a union. However, females from many races actually fantasize about Lavatuft males. They tend to gossip and speculate how...*ahem* large...Lavatuft men are down there.
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      • Raptoraneans - Can reproduce with any species, are stricly monogamous and mate for life. Though Raptoranean society is matrilineal and matriarchal, it is actually the brightly-ornamented females that show off and the more drab males that get to choose their pick. In simmilar vein, the males rear the young and the females go out hunting to provide food. In the end, both sexes are considered equal, though if there is serious conflict, the male will usually defer to the female in the end. With the dawn of their spacefaring history, Raptoranean actually try to mate with an individual who possesses DNA that is at least partially non-Raptoranean. Hence, pure-on-pure Raptoranean pairings have actually become tabu.
      • Liev - Are asexual and reproduce via scattering pollen, so most Liev never know whom their biological parents. As a result, such things are irrelevan to them. They simply join the first woodgroup they come across once they unroot and romantic love is quite the strange idea to them. They do form rather strong bonds with fellow woodlings, though.
      • Euchada - Are hermaphroditic but still need to reproduce, after which both partners usually part ways to lay eggs on their own, which they breed out in isolation. Their mates tend to be different each mating seaon, though they form very strong bonds with their children, leading to bloodlines becoming a factor. The Euchada idea of monogamy does not happen on the individual level, but on that of bloodlines.
      • Dragowar - Females choose mates almost purely on strength and ability to defeat others. When two males oogle the same female, a fight is almost certain to break out, with the loser backing out. In less civilized times, Dragowar males came together for huge competitions amongst each other, the victor of which would almost exclusively get to mate, though this practice is no longer common as Dragowar females tend to live more sceluded lives. If two Dragowar females want the same male, they will also fight amongst each other, though this is much rarer and less likely to end in serious injury.
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    • I'll jump in too, I guess.

      • Mendel - Mate for life. Often choose mates from either gender who display a lot of confidence and passion in life. Due to their acceptance of other races, Mendel can go for any race, so long as the women/men in question displays a passione and strength that they do. They make no disinction in society of men or women, and any may become ruler of a Clan, sect leader, etc.
      • Kaguran - Kaguran are very serious, and almost chaste of their romantic interests, believing the idea of sex far too important to simply waste on causal encounters, and, both genders, and all sexes, Gay, Lesbian, etc, will wait patiently and take their time with their partners in order to build trust and know each other. This is considered learning the "soul" of the partner, and one should never have a sexual encounter without learning the soul of their partner. This makes them slightly more awkward around other Mendel races, who are little more relaxed about such ideals.
      • Orgaat - Reproduce asexually, and as such, have no need to seek out mates. In order to change their DNA and diversify their genetic make-up. They are incapable of sexual attraction, but have a version of marriage, via a Bonding Ritual that multiple Orgaat will take up to symbolize their bonds of friendship, kinsmenship and ideals
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    • Niyra as an adult.

      Niyra Adult
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    • Ive got Nu'Iva Shal's new Battle Mage design finished. Shes not oblivious anymore and has mastered her abilties to use essense and magic. She is a commanding officer of the 30th Battle Mage regiment of the Antroth Military and has a seat waiting for her on the Royal Council when she's older.

      Nu'Iva Master Mage
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    • Also I love Niyra's new design!

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    • Thanks! I designed her to broadcast that she's become much more serious, cold, and ruthless. Killing others doesn't bother Vanara much, but losing people close to them tends to wear on them. Niyra's main occupation is a teacher for Koatria cadets. Granted they can get to the abandoned prison on mountain floating over the Pit that she trains in.

      Basically she's only there for the best of the best or those important enough to be sent her way. She actually trained Takanius and his team.

      By the way great job with Iva, you do a good job at showing that they've become more mature.

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    • Thanks! And Niyra does look much more experienced than she did as a child.

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    • Finally figured out what Fenric looks like. Sort of a humanoid goat-wolf hybrid. He belongs to a species called the Lupotragus (wolf-goat), a race formerly loyal to the Mendel Pact.

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    • I created a new Waptorian species as well: the Tardythles (scientific genus Stomatoheus). They are Tardigrade-mantis shrimp-pistol shrimp-hybrid-thingies that absolutely hate all things Hermicee and anything Hermicee-like due to numerous VineClaw invasions in their past (whereas the Orgaat has just one, and that one was bad enough already).

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    • An older Vonnes Orala'Sim in his new armor. Vonnes actually became the first Biskin to be knighted by a Volver King at the request of Knight Lord Timaal and inducted into the Volver Knights. He even served with the Ultra Commandos alongside Niyra for a while (If its okay with you Zilla).

      After years of service he was crowned High King of the New Biskin Empire. His court continues to throw female suitors at him to continue his royal bloodline, but turns them all away. Vonnes does request the aid of Super Elite Dione Ardal for what he calls "top secret assignments". No one knows the nature of these "missions" however.

      Vones King
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    • @Crimson/Eco - Both those ideas are awesome.

      @Glynn - Of course that's ok. Vonnes was an Ultra Commando for a bit.

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    • @Zilla: If Takanius and Mikand'r get together eventually, here's hoping that they get a daughter based off Merida. Due to the fact that Raptoranean genes concerning appearance tend to be dominant, the hair is already a given anyways. So my idea was that she feels to make up for it by rejecting most of her Raptoranean cultural heritage and completely embracing her Mendel side. As for the type of personality I had in mind...I'll ley you judge that.

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    • Top-secret missions. Should have used that line in high school.

      New mouse batteries, so... Fenric coming soon (I hope).

      Great drawing as always, Glynn.

      I had an idea for Fenric and the Soldarians. After Fenric gets chased off of Ugandalore, he and his men go into hiding on Militora, where he seeks to manipulate Pulp the Sixth by, say, saying he will catch Dione for him or something. Of course, it is all a ruse, he wants Dione to win.

      Fenric is not Mortox, Pridar, or Ada. He is a mortal being with no superpowers, elements or anything. Sure, he might be a nine-foot wolfgoat with a taste for leg o' traveler, but he is nowhere on par with the aforementioned villains. He knows he has to work with people, and gaining the goodwill of the Soldarians would be something he would definitely try. Whether or not he succeeds or gets run off the planet, well...

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    • @Crimson - P6 would probably fall to such manipulation if he's pushed far enough. Which could be interesting considering that P6 Does have the loyalty of his personal army and a good number of ships.

      Dione would probably lose her rank and be banished if she harmed or even killed P6, as a Super Elite's duty is to protect leaders of the UAE. Soldarians might even consider her a traitor and a criminal. Of course Dione's brothers and her friends would defend her innocence.

      But I'm wondering how many years this takes place after Niyra's Training?

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    • Shit if I know, I had no role whatsoever in writing Niyra's Training.

      What if Fenric went to battle against P6 himself? Like, maybe he would actually capture Dione and give her to P6, have a whole false wedding any all, then turn on him and kill him so Dione could take over.

      Also, it is impossible to create Fenric on Spore.

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    • Wait why is Fenric trying to put Dione in power?

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    • Because he knows she will be grateful.

      Fenric completely failed to take over Ugandalore. Sure he ripped the planet apart and came away with as many troops as he lost, but he cannot hope to get rid of Kirta on his own. His next plan is to try and manipulate the Tryis Major races, starting with the Soldarians, then the Lavatufts. Beta may get in here too.

      Since he is in league with an Adaist priestess, may we see a new resurgence of rogue Volver activity?

      Well, that is the story reason anyway. The real reason is I find your fiction very cool and usually not featured enough. I really want to see our fictions work together for a new story set in Tyris Major. A little change of flavor from Mirus Mirus Mirus Mirus.

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    • Well the major conflicts in Tyris Major were resolved.

      • Biskin Defeated and reduced to a lesser power
      • Antroths are allies rather than enemies
      • Infectant Virus effectively irradiated. (Except Beta)
      • Nebulorians are sealed off in their own Dimension
      • Ada is sealed within the Dark One
      • The Volver Sepratists are pretty much scattered and no longer a serious threat

      Dione also will have her own story arc that revolves around the origins of her bloodline.

      And he seems to be going after the heavy hitters I've noticed.

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    • Well I guess Fenric could provide an ample opportunity to reopen some of that. Let me see...

      • I have no clue what the Biskin would think of Fenric. But if he convinces Dione to join his cause, then he would have Vonnes on his side, no?
      • Antroths, well, I do not know.
      • Infectants we already know, Beta works with Fenric.
      • Nebulroians and Ada no, Fenric will not mess with them.
      • He could make a point of reuniting all the Separatists like he did the Lagorthenes and Mountain Clans, with his priestess giving a call to arms to all true believers, of course preaching the new version that Fenric is Ada in mortal flesh.

      Note that while Fenric obviously will not be taking over Tyris Major or anything, I will not have him be a character who keeps losing, only to bounce back like nothing happened. He might hae a few big losses, maybe some wins, but he will eventually die.

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    • As to why I'm not featured enough I'm unsure. I usually just see the same users in a giant circle jerk every month. So I usually dont even bother.

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    • One way to put it. Not like I have anything against Zilla Gorzill or Eco. I just think we should move out of Mirus and back into Tyris for a story or two.

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    • The Biskin are extremely unlikely to start any wars now. And depending on when this takes place Vonnes is either serving with Niyra with the Super Commandos or he has been crowned High King after usurping his father.

      Antroths are unlikely to rebel at all. They are insanely loyal to the UAE and their queen. There are small pockets of people who believe Queen Si'daal is the false heir to the throne but I dont know when I'll visit that. I need to touch up some character pages but I could explain why if you want.

      Pulporious V, while a longtime character in the Fiction is pretty old and most of his old comrades are dead now. But Brutius would probably be the one to end his life, making P6 the Emperor by birthright. I mean I hate to kill the guy off since I've enjoyed him but time advances in our universe and unfortunately he's near the end of his life.

      Brygon's story is on a bit of a hold because aside from ruling his empire I dont think he has any need for any more development. So I'm focusing on my newer characters for now.

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    • My friend, "small pockets" are how stories are made.¬†:)

      I could definitely cook up a neat plot point there. Please, tell me more.

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    • Well I don't talk a ton about Antroth history, but let's just say that Si'daal's royal bloodline actually had two branches: Vi'Serra line and the Ra'Tana line. Queen Si'Daal is descended from the Vi'Serra line.

      Initially the Antroths evolved from the Spydorians by the use of dark magic only known by individuals in the royal family. Vi'Serra, commonly known as the mother of Antroths, was the first Antroth. Her sister, Ra'Tana actually refused to take part in the ritual that transformed Vi'Serra and remained a Spydorian. After the first Antroths were created, they quickly became the dominant race on Farmia. Spydorians who refused to become Antroths were allowed to stay themselves for a time. Until Empress Xi'Qui was crowned that is. Xi'Qui was the daughter Vi'Serra. She was but a girl when she was crowned which angered Ra'Tana because she should have been the one to take the crown.

      Empress Xi'Qui had visions of a grand empire that spanned the cosmos. However she believed that Antroths were indeed the pinnicle of evolution. Some Spydorians were still loyal to the old ways of their culture and species, and refused to be converted. Xi'Qui made conversion mandatory, stating that the Spydorians were against progress. Many Antroths began to feel this way as well. Eventually, Ra'Tana gathered her loyalists and fled Antroth territory. The Spydorians decided to set up their own empire, separate from the Antroths. This Empire was ruled by Queen Ra'Tana for about a decade before she decided to completely rebel against the early Antroth Empire.

      Long story short, The Spydorians failed to usurp Empress Xi'Qui and were wiped out. Xi'Qui comitted mass genocide on the entire race. She was a mad Empress, as many Antroths believed she was going too far by commiting genocide. She either converted those who were captured or killed the ones who would be too much of a problem. Xi'Qui captured and tortured Ra'Tana to death for treason against the Empire.

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    • Empress Xi'Qui had few daughters, though only one survived childhood. That child was to be crowend Queen Si'Daal after the assassination of the Empress by Crow Daxur. Which was ordered by High King Ziskin in order to trick the young ruler into joining his crusade.

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    • So... who is still left to be a threat?

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    • Antroths who are descended from Spydorians who were forced to be transformed. As well as Ra'Tana's secret bloodline that continued behind the shadows.

      But as I said it's not done yet.

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    • I see. I imagine Fenric would seek them out in an attempt to stir the pot. He ultimately wants to use the Tyris races as his own personal army to conquer Ugandalore with. He thinks by either getting on their good sides (Soldarians, Biskin, Infectants), or manipulating certain factions (Antroths, Lavatufts, Volver), that he can either force or convince them to declare war on the Mendel.

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    • The best he could do is get a few people to join his cause. P6 wouldn't attack Ugandalore. He'd probably attempt to kill Fenric for even suggesting it.

      And Dione wouldn't attack Ugandalorians either because she greatly respected Ugandalore the Untouchable and Jallas. Even if she was grateful to Fenric, she would refuse such a request and most likely report him.

      Only a handful of people can even give Dione orders as a Super Elite. Kirta, W'tze, Brygon, P5, P6, and Empress Besta can give her direct orders. However I planned to have a small story centered around her, which can open up a few doors. Her "creator" is making a return.

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    • Which is why Fenric must dispose of P6, preferably by jamming a knive into his heart.

      Fenric would most likely give great effort to point Dione at Kirta ("Oh, no, I am not after those ugandals, just these ones"), somehow show her as the bad guy. Fenric also thinks that, due to some blood mingling long time ago, he should be Ugandalore's ruler. So putting forth a quid pro quo of position would be something he would do.

      But in the end, if all his attempts to get her to fight Kirta failed, he would just pin P6's death on her and try to get the other Soldarians to take up arms to "avenge their valiant leader".

      Creator?

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    • If this takes place after the Mendel Schism then Vonnes will probably be High King by that point. Niyra at that point has a job not only as a teacher, but as Takanuis' Therion. The Therion is basically the leader of the Koatria's dark adviser and a ruthless hunter of any Koatria that turn traitor.

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    • Right after.

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    • @Gorzill - Oh alright. Well around this time after the Mendel Schism Vonnes will actually take the throne from under his father in order to rule in the way he sees fit.

      @Crimson - I thought about Dione being pinned as a criminal. Though it would lead to Brygon attempting to avenge P6 since they were cousins. P6 might not have acknowledged their link but Brygon did care about him. Timaal, despite once being Brygon's apprentice, would stand up to the King in order to defend his friend's innocence. Vonnes would defend Dione of course, which would lead to the Volver and Soldarians believeing that the Biskin were going back to their old ways.

      But I dont know. This deviates exremely from what I initially had in mind for her development.

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    • What did you have in mind?

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    • Eco - I like that idea. I'm currently working towards when Kirta gets married to Ghes Orade-like character, and, ultimately, having a son. But that's not in the works for a while. I still gotta get to Barda's illegitimate son, Deloros, and Kirta/Takanius/Deloros' cousin Ambori.

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    • @Crimson - Well to summerize the man responsible for Dione's genetics and even her existance finds out that she and her brothers are the end result of his experiment. Decades ago he attempted to create super soldiers using Soldarian children. Unfortunately for him only a handful survived and those who did have passed away or died in battle. Two of those surviviors had a daughter who went on to have three children. Dione, Aion, Bion, and their mother Aela are what he calls "his property" since his knowledge and influence created them.

      Basically he wishes to capture them and use them to produce more soldiers and overthrow the Pulporious Dynasty and wage war on the lesser empires in outter Tyris Major space.

      @Zilla - Oof, that reminds me, Brygon doesn't have any legitimate heirs. He's been quite busy maintaining his powers and making sure no more rebellions pop up. His only love interest is Zataura and technically if they had a kid that child would be Ada's grandson, along with belonging both Soldarian and Volver Royal Families.

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    • @Glynn: Of those characters, Besta dies during the end of Year Two of the Geeat Mirusin Conflicts, and W'tze dies at the end of the War of Thorns, right before the Hand of Retribution. So those two, as well as Solid and pretty much the entire Unitech Citadel of Sapients, are already out of the picture.

      Wtze's aforementioned daughter Mikand'r is -obviously- still alive, though I'm nort certain if Dione would take orders from her because she absolutely loathes to be in any kind of leadership position.

      And, oh yeah, I remember that guy: Zard Beets. I believe he was nearly killed by Averil, only to narrowly escape death due to the Citadelians wanting to add his intellect to their own. They're gone now though, so he's on his own again.


      The TRAPPIST-1 system just became 7 times more awesome.

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    • @Glynn/Crimson - I have to admit Dionne siding with up with Fenric over her other allies would seem really out of character. Even if Dionne became a criminal the Persan would still be willing to shelter her and Matrukoris would always be an option. I could see Fenric teaming up with Zard Beets to get supersoldiers, though perhaps with the full intention of disposing of Zard when he's done.

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    • @Gorzill - I agree. Dione wouldn't betray the UAE or any Soldarians allies. Even if she was greatfull for Fenric's help. P6, while sort of unstable, would still be loyal to the Soldarian Empire's allies. And while Brygon would want to avenge his cousin, he's smart enough not to attack the Persan or assault Makrukoris.

      @Eco - Yeah Zard Beets. He has been in hiding for years now. The main reason we havent seen Averil around lately is because he's kept Zard on the run and has made it impossible for him to continue any research. Pulporious V has been funneling money into Averil's accounts to keep him motivated to continue his pursuit. Also I'm not sure what to do with Averil right now. He's not in his prime anymore as age has caught up with him. But he's plenty deadly.

      Honestly the whole idea of rebellions isnt that appealing to me. Soldarians usually never have any reason to revolt. Lavatufts, while many aim to become their ruler, are not keen on working with Infectants and would not help cultivate a new plauge. Volver Sepratists exist, just not strong enough to be a threat anymore.

      I dont want more pockets of seperatists all over Tyris Major. Sure there are members of every race out there being lawless and are mercenaries that Fenric could hire. But literally entering the controlled space of the Tyris Major Empires and plucking out citizens to wage war with their longtime Ugandalorian allies is just unlikely.

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    • Sorry to say this, but exactly. There is a reason we chose that the Proditkar Movement would collapse: the separatists are done for, and they aren't coming back. There are so amny other, alien, ideas to be focussed on, and with collaborations beginning to extend beyond our little gang, we really don't have any need for such specific threats any longer.

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    • I agree. Tyris Major was once wartorn and chaotic, but general peace was established with the founding of the UAE. Crimson and Anthil were threats that had their reasons for rebelling, though do we really need more rebellions?

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    • The only plan I have for rebels (and it might just be a rival political faction depending on the reception I get) is a group of Koatria and other UAE members who are angry that the reforged UAE is focusing on keeping the balance between light and dark now rather then the light is good, dark is evil attitude of the old UAE. This is getting at the light based corruption I've talked about before.

      Fun fact, the United Persan Descendants are actually a force of darkness. Just benevolent darkness.

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    • @Gorilla- Which Koatria would be involved?

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    • Gorilla? Don't have any names yet really, though I imagine some of the Olympians feeling marginalized by the Sephirah Hosts and Emotive Elite might support them.

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    • Ah sorry about that. Im typing from my phone and it auto corrected your username into "Gorilla" rather than "Gorzill"

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    • Its okay, I figured and was just making a joke of it.

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    • I never said that that was my main idea. We could have Fenric try to garner support from Tyris, only to find out that it is a lot more ordered than when he was first there. Then, (throat-slashing noise).

      Can we keep the Lavatuft rebels anyway?

      Gorilla?

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    • @Zilla - Speaking of characters having children I was thinking that Niyra and Makoro would actually get around to having a kid or two (Niyra's a fully fertile Queen Vanara which means the potential for a lot of kids). Basically Niyra herself actually had serious doubts about asking him and for good reason.

      To be fair though the species the Vanara virus bomb to maintain their numbers are generally weaker then Vanara and from civilizations that have a sever hatred of mutants and the like.Basically with Niyra around to interfere if things get out of hand and the right parenting techniques Makoro should be fine.

      In any case Niyra gets some prompting from Takanius to ask Makoro. Niyra expects rejection though it turns out Makoro's been hitting the books on the subject and says yes.

      What do you think?

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    • @Gorzill/Zilla/Glynn: Not so much rebels as, say, about half of the NE that chooses not to go along with the Persan's plan for the Enlightenment Collaborative at the last minute. This actually ties in very well with what I had been planning for Elegant'e, who'll become Light-corrupted as you say.

      What I had in mind is that, basically, since the Persan were the ones who got the EC back together, the other sates are so awed that they give the Persan free reign to reform the EC as they see fit. The Persan reforms are great and such, and the other sates support them, spurring the Persan on. As their mandate broadens, however, the Persan fall into an age old trap that no one (not the Persan, nor France, nor the Waptoria) is immune to: power.

      Basically, they begin to project/implement their favoritism (which, again, all states have) on a Collabortaive-wide scale. Now the Persan have never hidden that they balantly favor the Warrior-Hunters over the Olympians, and this shows. Basically they argue that the Olympians are outdated and, since the Persan have already developped their replacemets, funding to the project should be stopped. They succeed. Meanwhile, they argue that those funds should go to the Warrior-Hunter project (who are just as outdated, if not more so). Again, they suceed.

      Of course, this sits badly with the surviving Olympians, who also worked tooth and nail to keep the ideals of the EC alive in the NE, and now, as "thanks" for their efforts, get replaced. Then the news breaks that the Persan used the Persan Chapters to create the Sephirah Hosts, finally explaining why they didn't show up to join the NE.

      The surviving Ahrats (Epizoume, Alphahpla, Raballut, and Tyndar) are royally pissed off by this breach in the Olympian oath (aside from the EC in it's unity, a Creed shall to answer to any one government, regardless of origin), and confront the reforged Vice Jaw/Aspira with this. The two actually defend this (the Olympians are not Creeds any longer, it was necessary, you are corrupted by light already, ect), prompting Epizoume to attack attack Aspira, only to find that his bold rounds completely deplect off Star Shell armor. He gets thelepaticaly thrown against a wall with such force that his own armor scatters. Aspira explains that Sephirah equipment is created to deal with traitor Olympians, and bluntly states that she can end even an Ahrat like Epizoume in an heartbeat now. She tells the Ahrats to follow the orrders of the Allaince as should be their duty and to disband their Chapters to prevent further bloodshed.

      Both Pollux and Konrad throw a hissy fit at this (Pollux outright daring the Sephirah to try and destroy him) and send transmissions to gather any and all Chapters his message reaches to him, much like Elegant'e did with the EC-loyalists during the fromation of the NE. The Hosts attack the gathering onboard at the Ceaseless Crusader, flagship of the Black Crusaders, in force. As expected, things go (very) badly for the Olympians, and the Hosts repeatedly call for their foes to surrenter, only to have Pollux refuse it each time. In the end, the Olympians are barely saved by Elegant'e, who miraculously pushes the Hosts off-ship (and is actually a Saint now). No idea what happens next.

      The reason for the Koatria not to follow trough with the Persan plan is much easier - "Light is good, Darkness is bad" is basically the reason they exist. Each and every one of them (expect Niyra/Dark Koatria) draw their powers from -and are, to a certain extend, even animated by- Light. Their entire idea on corruption is that, to allow any form of Darkness within them, is to fall. In essence, benevolent darkness, to them, does not exist, and neither does malevolent light. I can see a potential Hydrarax-Niyra conflict here, vanguard against designated sucessor.

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    • @Eco - Yeah that sounds good. After the fiasco with the Olympians I imagine the Persan and the other powers go, "oh, maybe we shouldn't be putting each other up on pedestals like that."

      With the Koatria I could seen that being a conflict between young and old. With the older teams sticking with the old light = good, dark = evil. Where as the younger teams (Niyra, co, and past that) would basically believe that power is neither good or evil it's the user. Niyra herself has gone to great lengths to ensure that Takanuis and his team understand why the balance is necessary. Where Niyra set up is an abandoned, isolated prison where light completely conquered darkness and the void started leaking through as a result. Niyra sealed the void leakage off and contained it.

      The Warrior Hunters might not be so split. Kryunn being an essence blank has no leaning one way or the other and has done his best to keep the organization free of such a mentality.

      Basically I imagine light based corruption makes one appear pure, serene, and pure, but also makes them come across as cold, detached, and alien. Basically light-corruption causes one to become coldly logical, morally absolutist, only able to see things in black and white, and utterly detached and unable to understand normal people. The light corrupted version of the UAE I would imagine as presenting themselves as a democracy of complete equality guided by a beautiful elite, but are actually quite totalitarian and fascist. The regular population though is basically brain washed into believe the lies with those who don't fall for it being banished to penal colonies on death worlds.

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    • @Gorzill: Yeah. If anything, the Eldarisians and certainly the Aeoneonatrix Empire and the Cleanser are perfect exemples of how a Light-corrupted Empire might work. The Eldarisian have an absolute black-and-white mentality, and gladly genocide species they concider debauched. The Aeonoentarix style themselves as benevolent guardians that welcome the oppressed into their own ranks, but once they are there and refuse to convert, they are heavily discriminated against. The Cleanser tortures people to make them see their wrongs and completely discards that this might not be the most moral nor the most reliable path to genuine redemption. Were Aeon still here, he might have agreed with labelling the latter two Light-corrupted (though he equally might not, you never knew with him).

      What I imagine the Light-corrupted EC to be, partially to set them apart from the aforementioned exemple, is the ideas of the radical enlightenment taken to the extreme. Basically la Terreur.


      This is how I imagine Koatria would play...basically all Mass Effect/Destiny classes mashed together and being able to pick and mix powers from any of them, adding up to the "army of one"-feel that especially the newer Koatria are meant to have.

      Waptorian weapons have high range and accuray, use the overheat system, have a moderate rate of fire with low impact and typically use heat-seeking ammunition that is organic in nature. Most are either Pistols, Scout Rifles or Sniper Rifles.

      War-Imperial/Consulate weapons typically have moderate to short range (often with additional melee attachment), a high spread, have a fast rate of fire with high impact, and use solid ammunition. Most are either Submachine Guns, Assault Rifles, or Shotguns.

      I can also finally have my Biotic sniper.

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    • Yeah that sounds good. I have fictional examples I'd like to add in as well such as the Abby from Tales Berseria I'll get together a page with basic outline after work today and we can disscuss, add, remove, and change things as we all feel fit.


      Damn that looks cool, yeah I'm on board with that.

      Persan weapons are all multi-form meaning they can act as a laser bladed melee and various forms of ranged weapon (shotgun, assault rifle, sniper rifle, anti-armor, etc). They fire Accel Space radiation blasts to shred molecular bonds disintegrating targets. They have a lower rate to fire with high impact and great accuracy. Their ammo-less so use the overheat system and lack any tracking weapons. The Persan also have short range telekinetic generators that can be used to knock back enemies. All Persan weapons use a neural sync system for targeting and firing.

      Trahoxi weapons are high range and accuracy with low impact, or high impact with short range and low accuracy, all have a low rate of fire. They use ammo and fire crystal shards that fragment inside the foe. Most tend to be shotguns, sniper rifles, scout rifles, or pistols.

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    • Sorry, light and dark? What exactly did I miss when I was gone?

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    • Nothing? Darkling corruption has been around for a while, and we are simply discussing Lightling corruption here.

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    • I never had anything to do with that, remember?

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    • @Gorzill - Sounds good.

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    • So I am starting to formulate an idea for a new, alien, antagonistic faction that takes some elements of inspiration from Biblical mythology and other more "mythological" elements rather than "sci-fi" elements. Basically to replace Fenric with a much more dangerous and alien threat.

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    • @Crimson - Interesting, I'll look forward to seeing them.

      @Zilla - Niyra and Makoro, the Light-corrupted Enlightenment, or both?

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    • Thnx Gorzill. It might take a bit, I am currently trying to restore my former computer's data (again).

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    • @Gorzill - Oh, both of them.

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    • I just caught up. I wasn't getting any notifications again for some reason.

      And yeah if the Light were to overtake the Darkness the Void would leak into our universe. As long as they are balanced rhe Void can be kept at bay.

      @Gorzill - I was actually thinking about the children of Team Tyris, should they have any. Timaal would most likely find a mate of his own kind considering his chances with Niyra are zero and his chances with Helha are also null. Vonnes and Dione would more than likely end up together. Soldarian and Biskin biology is similar enough to possibly produce offspring. Im not sure what to do with Nu'Iva actually. Blaize would most likely have multiple children.

      Blaize would love to meet Niyra's kids considering he thinks of her as his little sister.

      Timaal, Nu'Iva, and Blaize dont actually have any specific partners lined up. So om open to suggestions.

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    • Please excuse my typos. I'm responding from my phone and the autocorrect chooses when it wants to work or it straight up chooses letters I didn't press.

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    • Hey Glynn, does Vonnes kill Ziskin to become king?

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    • @Zilla - Cool. By the way I'm thinking of the light corrupted Enlightenment having a similar regard to essence as the Mendel. It's all witchcraft, except the Koatria. Those are gifts from the gods. Also what would Hydarax and Team Olda make of the reformed UAE focusing on the balance between light and dark rather then solely serving the light?

      @Glynn - I imagine Niyra would happily introduce her kid(s) to her friends.

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    • @Crimson - Well in the way of the Biskin only the strongest and most cunning can rule. Vonnes could either remove him from power without any bloodshed or he could kill him. Either way, to remove a Biskin High King from power, one must defeat him. Mentally or physically.

      @Gorzill- I should make a new fist bump picture...

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    • Did you ever list all the Biskin subspecies? If not, could you?

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    • Well there are only 3 that actually matter.

      • Primes - The most talente and cunning of the Biskin. Natural born leaders and warriors. 4 clans exist that dominate their home world of Crobe.
      • Brutes - The strongest in terms of strength. They are larger than most Biskin but have deep respect for the Primes. They are lesser in numbers than the Grunts, but are have a larger population than Primes.
      • Grunts - The smallest and most numerous. They are ruthless killers in combat, but are loyal to the Primes. They are the bulk of the population.
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    • What about the other ones? Weren't there ones called Titans or something?

      And there were Biskin Elites mentioned in a few places. Was that a rank or subspecies?

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    • Biskin Elites are a rank of Prime Biskin

      And it's been a while since of updated the Biskin. However Titans are a subspecies of Lavatuft.

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    • @Glynn: Yeah, I believe the original intention was for Nu'Iva and G-Sker to get together, but G-Sker got kidnapped by Otto Skorezny, brainwashed into a Hegemony Commando/Dark Koatria, and set loose upon his former comrades. Niyra was forced to kill him. If Nuy'Iva and G-Sker were beginning to date at the time, it would probably devastate her.

      @Crismon: You did the have Blood Darklings, correct? Anyways, my point was that, even if your characters had nothing to do with corruption, you were already around when it was introduced.

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    • @Eco - When did...wow i really missed alot. But yeah Nu'Iva would be heartbroken.

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    • @Glynn: Oh yeah, you probably missed that the Hegemony turned upon our empires and prompty had their commandoes massacre a million Koatria cadets or so to prevent them from going to war with the Xonexi. Tragically, the Koatria never planned to do so, but Dark lied to Marius that this was the case - indeed, he had Marius believe (again, falsely) that the entire EC would join the Sovereign Mirusian Coalition. It also allowed the Darklings to gain a foothold within the Hegemony and add them to their list of expendable pawns.

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    • The Blood Darklings never corrupted anything. I know of Darkling corruption, I was just confused about the light-dark thing. But nevermind.

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    • Slight change to Persan weaponry. They now fire kinetic blasts and have decent accuracy and range with slow fire rate and high impact. They use a overheat system, can be charged up to do more damage, and are controlled via neural sync system. They tend to be battle rifles, sniper rifles, and Anti-Tank Rifles.

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    • So I have some questions about the Ethereal Enlightenment. Who exactly is going to get Light corrupted? Because I see Hydarax is there, but I specifically made the Order of Zaraturai able to operate beyond the scope of normal Koatria, and do things that usually go against their code of honor, making them much more morally grey then the Koatria. He's not even elementally attuned, making it difficult to corrupt him either way. Likewise, the Peacebringers, while calmed down, are still a bunch of drunken, rocken, otakus out for all they can get, if you know what I mean, so they're not exactly prone to light-based corruption either.

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    • I'm assuming this talk of light corruption has something to do with characters or factions trying to straight up destroy the darkness? And the Ethereal Enlightenment is the name of those combined groups?

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    • Well your gonna have to wait for Eco to get most of those answers. I never had specific individuals in mind when I came up with the idea, just broad generalizations.

      I do have to question those two though. Hydarax, while a grouch, is reasonable and I imagine would listen to Niyra if she came to him with evidence about the dangers of light winning over darkness. As for the Peacebringers while I could see them fleeing with the other Olympians after their funding gets cut. I'm pretty sure they'd turn right back around once they realize what the Ethereal Enlightenment is all about. The UPD would then probability offer the Peacebringers improved equipment after realizing how badly they fucked up.

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    • @Glynn - Yep that's pretty much what it is.

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    • @Glynn - Basically, Light Corruption is when you take the good traits of honor, unity and all that too far, and twist into something evil. The EE have gone too far, and become evil in their own way.

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    • Yeah, it tends to cause things like moral absolutism, total adherence to lawful authority, and a disregard for the worth and rights of the individual (thinks needs of the many outweighs the needs of the few and the one taken to an extreme).

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    • Huh. Well I cant name anyone I've created that would get Light Corruption...not off the top of my head at least

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    • I also think we need to rethink the Koatria as well. They have since allied with Darklings loyal to Zaraturai like Miterix and his few servants, and are accepting of their abilities and all, even the older ones.

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    • Hey Glymm, I read the Ziskin article again, and you do mention Titans as a subspecies of Biskin.

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    • @Crimson - Well Brutes = Titans

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    • Ah I see. Well, just trying to help.

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    • @Zilla - Hmmm, perhaps its the Koatria of Niyra's generation that are most susceptible to light based corruption? They grew up at the height of the Darkling scare and now that a younger generation is taking the reigns they might be more resistant to change fearing they'll be replaced. None of Niyra's friends would become corrupted I imagine since Niyra was the first to figure out that light based corruption was a thing and most defiantly warned them.

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    • So Gorzill what do you want to call our story? Figure I will finish and upload it today.

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    • How about, "Herald of the Devourers".

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    • Sure. I am just finishing up now.

      I am thinking of another "prequel to Qlippogor" we should do. My idea was for the Shin Akiba (the guys who imitated the Wasterlings and ascended into godhood) would return first with paranormal events, heralding the breakdown of the dimensions. Then we will see more of the Others.

      Actually, it should be "Herald of the Devourers: Part One"

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    • @Zilla/Gorzill: My intention was not for the entirety of it to get Light-corrupted. For exemple, the Order of Zaraturai is not, and my plan was for them to function similar to the Darklings of the Brotherhood: they can't get corrupted by their own energies (if they have them in the first place), and are thus able to direct the EE, much like the Darklings do. Their morally grey actions are needed: the Koatria, because they are morally white, would never push others over Light's edge. The Order, I assume, would have no such reservations, if it serves the greater good.

      As for the Peacebringers, that was the plan, yeah. The Olympians in general are cloistered on isolated worlds, so the taint would affect them much less. They still fight for the EE of of necessity, if not out of a religious belief in Zaraturai, but generally they don't want to have anything to do with the main populace.

      What I would go for with them is akin to how the Black Templars react after being forced to fight side-by-side with the Iron Warriors in Throneworld. In other worlds, they believe in the greatness of their cause to such an extended that they believe everyone can see things their way, and even try to outright convert Darkling servants when/if they get the slightest of chances. This would also be true for the EE in the wider sense.

      The EE isn't evil for evil's sake: they have a reason to exist. The reformed Enlightenment Alliance keeping the balance is nice and all, but the Brotherhood of Darklings is still in ascendancy, which would keep things in favor of the Brotherhood. Hence, the Revelation isn't "Darkness is Evil, Light is Good", but "Oh crap, we need to do this -somewhat to completely abhorrent- thing to truly create balance" (which is why it is called a sacrifice).

      Lastly, it appears Gorzill seems to have misunderstood what exactly I meant with "akin to la terreur": not the mass executions, but the "Any institution which does not suppose the people good, and the magistrate corruptible, is evil/we are incorruptible no matter what we do because we are just"-reasoning - moral absolutism in other words. I suppose a Light-corrupted society, where the is no choice but for everyone to think the same way, has little need for death camps anyways.


      That said, I'm not really invested in the EE yet, so I'm completely open to any and all suggestions/changes. In any case, we can simply shift the EE to focus to LoP-worship completely and remove any Zaraturian elements completely.

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    • @Eco - Well keep in mind a lot of my inspiration comes from the Abby and the Exorcists from Tales of Berseria. They have a philosophy of reason over emotion, banish people who don't agree with them to fringe colonies, and seek to eliminate all emotion so people will only act on logic. Though, unless you've played the game, you'd have no way of knowing that.

      In a similar vein my knowledge of la terreur is pretty basic as the French Revolution is not a part of history I've extensively looked into.

      Not really sure if I'd call the EE Penal Colonies death camps though. Think of it more as going from living in a society with to days standard of living to living in one with the standard of living that dark age peasants had.

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    • @Gorzill: Nope, I didn't.

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    • Well there ya go.

      Instead of the Order of Zaraturai how about we have a group of extremist Lightlings acting as the man behind the man for EE? I have an idea for their leader (eho goes by the title of the Indomitable Sun, his actual name is Inmonhotep) with the rest being something everyone could contribute to.

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    • Yeah sure.

      If the Blood Darklings can get abandonned and radicalize, I imagine a group of Lightlings very well can, too.

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    • Behold! Inmonhotep the Indomitable Sun!

      Also feel free to add your guy's own Lightlings to the list on the Ethereal Enlightenment's page. I imagine each as a sort of counter part of sorts to the major darklings. Inmonhotep is clearly a counterpart to Dark, while I have another named Theressa as a Torackix counterpart.

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    • With the new focus on the Lightlings and Darklings, I may have to bring the Blood Darklings back into play rather than getting rid of them. Where do you suggest they fall into the grand scheme of things?

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    • Also been thinking of creating a new Grox faction, since, well, everybody has one. I have not thought of a name yet (they will not be a Latin letter Collective race). Here is the rundown:

      Not really sure if they came from the Meta-Empire or pre-ACC Mirus Grox, but what I do know is that they were a war party that got sucked into a wormhole and stranded with little resources to keep them alive. They ended up absorbing all their servant races, Conqrix, and Morphlings into themselves, taking on traits of them.

      Now, though they do not assimilate, they are now half-machine, half-shapeshifter. Their machine parts can merge with other inorganic stuff to form new weapons and tech (like growing a rocket launcher), and their organic bodies are like the Thing on speed (really, really fast shapeshifting abilities). They cannot adapt to every weapon used against them, but they move fast and can pickup any piece of tech on the battlefield.

      This is just a brainstormed idea; I have no idea whose side they will be on, what their names will be, or if I will even use them.

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    • Th pre-ACC Mirus Grox (aka the Meeno Grox) were loyal to the Meta-Empire, just for information. The Evermind even played on Mortox' programming which gave it the need follow a leader, as to get him to join the Alpha, thus forming the beginnings of the ACC.

      But yeah, that idea is really good.

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    • Just commenting to show you guys I'm still caught up. Wiki hasn't been notifying me again.

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    • What should I have them do, Eco?

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    • Whatever you want. I'm OK with them being a Meeno Grox group that was lost during the Pilgrimage (the Meeno's journey from Mirus' core to the sattelite galaxies of the Ramvelkys Galaxy after their defeat at the hands of the Multus) or during the trek back (during the Anhillation).

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    • New design of Jura everyone.

      Jura
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    • That looks awesome.

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    • Thanks!

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    • Nice...

      Anyway Eco I meant more along the lines of who they should be allies and enemies with now. I do not want them to be "good guys", but I fear that them joining the ACC will diminish them into just another arm of an already formidable military machine.

      Also I was thinking that, since the Crimson Splinter still lives as far as I know, we should work to give them a more Blood Pack/Blue Suns/Eclipse feel.

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    • Nothing stops them from being an independent villain. We need more of those.

      The Crimson Splinter is undercover in the UAE for the moment, so they technically aren't independent.

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    • I'm actually all out of villains after Zard. I hadn't really thought about creating any more.

      I played with the idea of a rogue Brygon but technically that already happened by this time. Its just not written anywhere.

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    • I thought the UAE was dead?

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    • It was defunct, then the Persan decided to get the gang back together.

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    • Ok, now I am a bit confused. We have the New Enlightened, the Ethereal Enlightenment, and a Persan-run UAE faction. The hell?

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    • @Crimsonfire: The timeline is this:

      Enlightenment Entente (Enlightenment War) -> Enlightenment Collaborative (old UAE) -> Covenant of Mirus (Xonexi-driven UAE replacement) & New Enlightenment (UAE loyalists) -> Unified Enlightenment Alliance (new UAE) & Ethereal Enlightenment (light-corrupted Phradox colonies).

      Hope that clears it up.

      @Glynn/Gorzill/Zilla: I was thinking that, perhaps, Brygon and Zataura join Team Daas with Takanius and Mikand'r -who are of Brygon's generation after all- to help his control over the Void. However, Brygon stubbornly refuses to take orders from Niyra (whom he barely knows and is a generation younger), Niyra berates/punishes him, he doesn't take it very well, and then hell breaks loose.

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    • Niyra would probably just tell the two that she can't help them. The intrinsic Vanara connection to Accel Space (Vanara are literally not Vanara without this) and thus strong connection to Nonsense means that they are utterly detached from the Void. She's researched the Void so she can better fight it, but doesn't really know how to use it.

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    • I didn't really mean control as in combat skills, but rather how to resist it's influence. My apologies.

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    • Ah, okay then. In that case she would be willing to teach them. In that case the response would be "if your not going to listen then why did you come" and "if you're not going to learn then leave."

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    • So as of now it is the UEA and Ethereals? OK. Are they at war, then?

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    • Not yet, but it's gonna happen. Though it won't be open war.

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    • Cold/Proxy War? U.S.-Russia style?

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    • I was thinking more terrorism and counter terrorism, but yeah that to.

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    • Cool. Maybe then my Grox can come in.

      On that subject, are the Phradox Grox good guys or bad guys? Probably due to the Alpha-Phradox war I always saw them as protagonists.

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    • @Crimson - Yeah, they're good guys. Not out and out, but still good aligned.

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    • So why is the EE against them?

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    • From my understanding, the EE is Light corrupted, and sees things as black and white. As such, the Grox are universally evil, and they cannot see the shades of grey in between, hence their hatred.

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    • I get it, yeah. I figured it was something along those lines. This EE is going to get itself destroyed soon, won't it? Seems like it is puling an ISIS - making an enemy of every potential ally because they disagree even the slightest.

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    • Eco, I wish to put out that there are more female Darklings then just Torackix. Not only originals, but also those that ascended into Darkling Princedom.

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    • Well, yeah, I was aware of that, but I meant amongst the big 9.

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    • I have a question about the Blood Knights. How do their ranks work, exactly? I do not mean what their ranks are, I mean how do they go from one to another. Like in the ranks/troop types me and Eco made, there were Commandos, Operatives, Stormknights, etc. How would a basic Knight get promoted to one of those, and could he ever leave that position for a new one? Also, do other species who join the BKO have different ranks or the same as the Volver?

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    • @Everyone - Added one of the nonviolent members of the Pact. Shocking I know. Gotta have some rational folks telling the Spess Celts when to calm down. To bad they never listen. [1]

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    • Nice. Might wanna check it though, in the infobox you call them Kaguran, not Karpine.

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    • Oh, thanks for that catch.

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    • By the way for those not in the know I've been writing up a story page for the Persan leaving the Covenant. There's parts for the owners of several different factions to write in their reactions to the events. If you want to remove or add your faction feel free.

      http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:The_Persan_Resignation

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    • [1] - Hey Gorzill, I remember you where saying you where uncomfortable with Shin Godzilla's Nationalistic overtones. I think this article would be an interesting read for you.

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    • @Zilla - Yeah I read that and actually after seeing the movie I felt much better about it.

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    • By the way what UPD will become after Qliphoggr is defeated -> [1]

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    • Yeah, I never quite thought of either one like that before.

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    • Does the NE or any other faction have a working prison system besides the Pit?

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    • The reason I ask is that I plan a story involving the last leaders and members of the Vermillion Syndicate thrown in prison after the Tyris Major fiasco and forced to compete with other vicious prisoners in order to survive. At the end, the group will break out and resume operations.

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    • @Crimson - The Pit is reserved for the worst of the worst of war criminals. So, how the Vermillion act would affect if they go to the Pit or not.

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    • @Gorzill - The Abyssal Domain is also the name of Ada's home¬†:P

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    • Is it? Oops. I was just going for something that sounded significantly eldritch. I'll change that.

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    • Changed it

      Also Qliphoggr on your averaged day ->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcbazH6aE2g

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    • The Communal flag looks very nice indeed.

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    • Thanks! All I did was create a circle, put two lines through it, (in shape kinda like a Celtic Cross) and then played around with some effects.

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    • @Zilla - Well do people still get mutated in the Pit? Because I cannot have that.

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    • @Crimson - Yeah, that's kind the thing with the Pit, so they have no way of escaping.

      @Gorzill - DIDSOMEONESAYCELTIC

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    • Shit. I already started writing (On a Wordpad, not the wiki). Does the mutation thing really still have to be there? I really do not want to have to think up a new prison.

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    • Gorzill, you wanna get on Titanpad this weekend and start Part 2 of our story? I figured we could maybe have an Other get awakened or something.

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    • Sure, sounds good.

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    • Alright, we will get on Friday night and start planning some ideas?

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    • Sounds good, I'll see you there.

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    • @Zilla - Did you hear we're getting a anime Godzilla movie this year?

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    • @Gorzill - Oh hell yeah. I am so hyped.

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    • Sorry for my late reply. Been pretty busy. And then the new Zelda came out so I was kinda playing that when I got the chance.

      @Crimson - The Blood Knights use the same ranks as the Volver Knights.

      @Eco/Gorzill - I could see that happening. Zataura would probably recommend that Brygon and Niyra try to help each other understand the Void/Accel Space. However it is quite common for Volver to be stubborn when it comes to respecting the orders of those younger or lower on the chain of command than they are. He'd be willing to learn though, as Brygon, while one of the most talented warriors in Tyris Major history, could fall victim to the Void.

      I never even figured out what we did with Anthil. I sorta wanted to hand off his fate/elimination to W'tze and Magmos since they were Lavern's closest allies. I've been focused on Team Tyris since they are fresh faces as far as what impact they can have on the universe.

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    • What are the ranks?

      And that does not really answer my question as to how they go from one rank or division to another. And when they enter a specialized rank, how does promotion work then? Do they stay in that special position forever, get promoted out, or are there higher ranks within that special rank?

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    • Gorzill you be on at 9:00?

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    • Yeah, sure.

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    • Alrighty then.

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    • @Crimson - Could you repost the link to the pad? I've been looking everywhere I could think of, but I can't find the link.

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    • Part one of my Fenric story, everyone.

      http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Deephold

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    • I have a question for the community: I know it is illegal to create a new galaxy for the fiction, but i want to incorporate my Savegames into the actual Community. I have already set up a full GA story in this new galaxy, and it would be a royal pain to try to incorporate my empire of 200+ systems into the Milky Way as their home, especially after studying up on the immense politics of the galaxy. What i am wondering is, is it illegal to say, have a large (Like, 5 UK size cruisers is the fleet) Colonization fleet find the Milky Way? I think it would make a good story, allow me to "Start" in the milky way, and start off New and fresh. the only concern is: Is it legal to referance the "Home Galaxy" of my race, the Heebon Galaxy?

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    • Yeah, you can mention your race's home galaxy.

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    • Yep, that should be fine. You're free to come over to Mirus too, at whatever time you want.

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    • That is perfect! I will bet writing up Bios and Fictions.

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    • Well I just got back from Kong: Skull Island and now I have ideas. Basically some new Kaiju type monsters. They're beings that dwell in an Accel Space area called the Hallow. These entities can however come out of Rabbit Holes and manifest physically in bodies that are thousands to hundreds of thousand meters in size as opposed to just tens and hundreds. They were around before the Multus Esse, when to sleep when the Multus came to power, are walking back up, and implied to be the progenitors of all other Kaiju in our fiction.

      What do you guys think?

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    • Cool but hundreds of thousands of meters tall? How do you kill that?

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    • Mendel - Take A sword and stab em in the soft bits!

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    • A really big robot, with a really big gun and a really big sword.

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    • [1] - Speaking of Mendel, how does this new character look. Based him off a personal favorite Star Wars character of mine.

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    • @Zilla - Nice, I like him. I'll look forward to reading about him seems like a fun character. By the way I was thinking of a theme for Niyra and Makoro as a couple and I was thinking of using Poison by Alice Cooper.

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    • @Eco - So Arhcarax kills Marnius, oh I was actually hoping to have Akanri do it. Guess I didn't jump on that in time.

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    • Perhaps we could rewrite it to have both Archcarax and Akanri work together to kill Marinus? I really would like for her to have a major role in Marinus' death. Part of what I want to get at is that while what the Hand is doing is wrong, people like Akanri have every right not to forgive the Hegemony.

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    • @Gorzill - Sure but...how? Any suggestions? Though Marius was in favor of Operation Muskeg, he didn't exactly like how it played out. He was openly racist against the Varara, yes, but the blame for the Great Betrayal and the Koatria Massacre rests with Ammox and Otto, respectively.

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    • @Eco - Well Akanri was particular target of Marinus' racism and surveillance for a long time, I would imagine he would have sent assassins after her as part of Operation Muskeg. Anyway Akanri is lot more powerful now, like walking talking Krakatoa powerful (Ava is killed by the Leless during the Scelus Purification attack. Akanri then absorbs Ava's energy and uses it to supercharge her psychokinetic field and kill Leless sinking the island they're both on in the process), so she figures Marinus will want to take her out more then ever and that she's going to have taken him out if she ever wants to be free off him. With the chaos caused by the hand now is the perfect time to strike.

      Anyway so Akanri uses her underworld connections to sneak over to the Hegemony world where Marinus is and bumps into Archcarax. At first the two gear up to fight, but then Akanri suggests they both take Marinus down. Big fight happens, the Hegemony capital gets leveled in the process with only a crater left and Archcarax stabs Marinus in the heart at the same moment Akanri cuts of Marinus' head.

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    • Just a thought Eco if the Circle of Sins is still around perhaps you could rework them to make them Mafia-like? A fanatic mob, that is something we have never had before.

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    • @Gorzill - Like the idea for the theme. Go right ahead.

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    • @Gorzil - Likewise.

      @Crimson: They're not around any longer, and are, in fact, the first of the Proditkar factions to be destroyed.

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    • I am wondering: Once i am done writing up my Bios, would you guys like to see the Heebon Wars first or the Milky Way Voyages first?

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    • @Eco - How and when do they get destroyed?

      @MemeCynic - If you want to get involved in collaborative projects you should do the voyages first.

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    • @Crimson: They attack the newly (re)formed Mirusian Theocratic Congregation. Bad idea.

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    • CrimsonFire735 wrote: @Eco - How and when do they get destroyed?

      @MemeCynic - If you want to get involved in collaborative projects you should do the voyages first.

      I guess i should ask here, Is anyone interested in doing the Voyages Fiction with me? The idea is the BSRB have sent 5 huge ships with the daunting task of finding a new Galaxy, and preferably extragalactic life. (I need some way to start in the Milky way, right?) I will be able to start tonight, then around 4pm tomorrow.

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    • Well we primarily have our fictions set in the Mirus Galaxy, not the Milky Way.

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    • @MC - Hello there. I've been away again for a bit but I'd like to point out that I created Tyris Major, which is technically a star cluster that is near the Milky Way but isn't exactly a part of it. I wanted creative freedom over my section of space so that's what I did. The adminis didn't really have a problem with me doing it because Tyris Major isn't a galaxy.

      @Crimson - I'll have to get back to you on the Knight ranks and progression. I wrote it down somewhere and now I can't seem to find it.

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    • @Zilla - By the way been thinking of Niyra and Makoro's kids. Niyra as a Vanara Queen could have a few. The whole idea is that they grew up around the Peacebringers and have inherited their love for human music (each one having their own preferred genres, bands, and artists). I actually have already have their eldest daughter planned out.

      By the way do you have a png for the Spikron so I can create a base picture for the hybrids? Also what are the Spikron's strengths and weaknesses, that will help me determine what the hybrids look like.

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    • @Gorzill- I was thinking about Dione and Vonnes' children if they were to have any. I'm working on Blaize and Timaal artwork at the moment.

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    • @Gorzill - Well, Spikron tend to be thin and agile, but rather fragile compared to the doughty Mendel and the like. They can breath underwater for short bursts of time, usually an hour or so, and are also noted to have sharp vision in most conditions.

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    • Niyra and Makoro's daughter Anoir.

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    • Would anyone like to collab with me for the Heebon Voyages? I have 5 world sized ships (each with i billion population) and the Empire voyaging has not had Extragalactic contact before, so i think something interesting could be spawned from here.

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    • @Gorzill: Hatred runs deep XD Although kincaido'scr is a Darkling Prince now, so he might reappear eventually. I won't describe his new appearance here and now, of course, that would spoil it.

      Cynic: I guess we'd all be in for that; again, our ficions are mainly focussed on Mirus.

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    • (I forgot to mention, i reset the course to mirus.)

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    • @MemeCynic - Sure I'd be interested in collabing.

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    • Yeah me too.

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    • SInce this is my first collab, i am not sure exactly what i'm supposEd to do.

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    • I was thinking about Blaize's kids. Lavatufts are capable of having multiple offspring in one batch. Lavern had 8 daughters and one son. Whereas Magmos had one son only.

      So i was wondering what you guys think. Should he have one, or multiple?

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    • i would go with multiple. More means more characters which means more possible routes to take.

      Also, working on photos for The Mirus voyages

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    • @Glynn Yeah, multiple, but come up with them as you think of new ideas, not all at once. That is what I did with Fenric's family. That way, no one seems out of place, rushed, or of little importance.

      @MemeCynic Well, you tell us your ideas for the plot, then we figure out where our creations can fit into the story.

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    • @Glynn - Do as many as you want, and can handle. I understand you tend to be busy, so do what you can handle.

      @Gorzill - That looks awesome. Great work as always.

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    • @Glynn - What the other three said.

      @Zilla - Thanks!

      By the way I've been thinking of creating another Koatria team composed of some of our other character's children. Anoir, Takanius and Angand'r's daughter, one of Blaize's kids, one Dionne and Vonnes' kids, etc.

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    • Too bad that team could not include one of the Vermillion kids! I have developed Fenric's four sisters, by the way.

      I think I figured out how Fenric dies. Not for a while, but eventually he pisses off the Pseudopath and kills one of their leaders. So they send a hitsquad after him. The last we would see of Fenric if I use this ending is him about to attack a large group of hitmen armed with guns that go through all physical matter.

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    • @CrimsonFire735 the Plot is that directly after a huge war, The BSRB Imperial Republic has discovered the possibility of Extragalactic life. They constructed 5 Worldships (think giant cargo barges, only the cargo is people and an ecosystem) for the task of finding and colonizing this new galaxy. The 5 Worldships are The Explorer, The Interpreter, The Irradiator, The Scavenger, and the Endeavor. The Fiction would either be set in the journey to Mirus or once they have gotten there.

      The page for My Main Character: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Heedris_Omnipitos The page for the Empire: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:The_BSRB_Imperial_Republic The page for the Vehicle: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Vehicle:Heebon_Intergalactic_Spacer

      I am working on my Spore photography skills so i can better illustrate scenes and events. (BTW, do you guys have Published Creations i should download?)

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    • Well the way we write our stories we do not really download each other's creations (I should say it is not a necessity).

      Right, so you stated the plot, but are these guys hostile to other life? Will they attack others if they are in the way of colonization? What kind of allies are they looking for.

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    • I've actually always wondered why we don't. Some screenshots would help give the action some meat, you know?

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    • Yeah, they certainly would. I guess it is because nobody posts PNGs on their pages.

      Huh, apparently the Vadyadhara were originally going to be obsessed with pain and be under Glacier's control. Well, Glacier is in no condition to control anyone now. Decapitation tends to have that effect.

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    • The BSRB only attack other races if the other races takes the first shot. They are simply looking for Extragalactic life for trade, and building a Foothold in Mirus. When not attacked or in a war, they are very friendly, and they would be even more friendly now that they are out of a huge war.

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    • Well, three of my empires are xenophobic, and the other three (not written yet) are actively hostile. Your race would probably fit best with these guys, made by Ecoraptor, since they are usually friendly to other races.

      Honestly, unless your faction is antagonistic, chances are it is gonna end up as a member race of a bigger organization.

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    • I've tried to do that more, cause I'm getting more involved with the Heavy weights of this Wiki.

      @Memecynic - The Mendel and Zarbanians, despite their rough edges, are willing to welcome any who bring peace, the will be a bit untrusting near the beginning, because of their past with certain others.

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    • Thank you for pointing this out. The BSRB are highly nationalistic and defensive, and they usually initiate only when the other side has shown where they stand.

      Edit: I didn't see @Zillafire's response, and The BSRB Are happy to bring peace.

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    • @Crimson: Not necessarily. The Mirus Galaxy is the second most politiclly fractured of them all, even more so than Borealis at this point, with only the Tuuros Galaxy being more divided. The Covenant holds power only over the western half of Mirus, the ULE in the middle and the east is complelety anarchic. Plus, the Covenant has very little effective power, the Triumvirate of Mirus sees to that.

      Since the BSRB are nationalistic and defensive, meeting the Zarbanians first seems the best idea overall. That, or the Alpha Cyber Collective.

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    • So should i just start as the Fleet has moved into Mirus?

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    • @MemeCynic - The main fiction of mine you'll run into are the Therion Anarchic Commune who are friendly enough, but rather capricious and tend to do inexplicable things for the "entertainment value". The Singularity Overlords which are parasitic AIs that might seem friendly, but only use others for their own benefit. And the Ginnungagap Domain which are eldritch abomination AIs that might attack, help, do both, or just observe (no one can predict their actions or give a reason for them).

      @Eco - Not to mention the TAC is neither part of nor listening to the Covenant and the Covenant's control over the north is pretty tenuous as well. The Scelus Reformation is getting rebellious.

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    • I think (Since this is the first voyage to Mirus) that The BSRB wouldn't be too keen on a fight, i think i'll have to go with @Zilla.

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    • Well if you run into they run into the Mendel of Zarbania their gonna end up meeting the Therion (those three are rather close). The Therion won't attack them though unless the BSRB attacks the Therion, but like you said that isn't gonna happen so no worries there.

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    • @Eco Well the Pseudopath do kind of have a dominating presence in Eastern Mirus. Not all of it, but enough of a chunk that would be noticeable. And while they are not out trying to conquer everyone, travel into that territory would be very dangerous for Multus creations.

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    • Gorzill wrote: Well if you run into they run into the Mendel of Zarbania their gonna end up meeting the Therion (those three are rather close). The Therion won't attack them though unless the BSRB attacks the Therion, but like you said that isn't gonna happen so no worries there.

      Ooh, even better. any idea When we can start collabing?

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    • Whenever you want really.

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    • I think later today (About 4:00 pm EST) would be good, that way we can be sure we are ready and i can read up more on how collab fiction works.

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    • https://titanpad.com/F7AC73d0GK here is the Prolouge for the Voyages.

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    • Hey Gorzill you gonna be on TP tonight?

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