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|message=Do not take your chances, though you may believe that your minds are strong enough to handle the corruption of the Void, it will not end well for you. Those who are overconfident in their abilities to control the Void have all ended up manipulated, with their minds corrupted. You cannot control the void, you can only avoid its grasp.}} |
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AN INVITATION FOR A PAN-SPODIST ORGANIZATION
We are interested in forming a non-militaristic, non-aligned religious bloc or organization between Pan-Spodist nations that will seek for the eventual unification of Spodists into a Pan-Spodist nation. We are openly inviting all Spodist nations interested in this project to join us: All denominations & sections of Spodism are welcome.
A Warning about Abyssal and Void Artifacts/Entities
Dr.Nu'Iva Shal, Master Mystic, Psionic and PlaneswalkerI am writing this message concerning the recent increase in interest that people and nations have shown in artifacts from the Abyss and or entities that have been tainted/infused by the Void itself. While these objects and entities may hold the promise of providing you with great power, I must warn you that such things always come at a cost. I've seen reports of people losing their grip on reality, their sanity, or driving themselves into a nihilistic depression. Other more unfortunate beings have even "lost their souls" as some would put it. I request that if anyone comes across artifacts that they believe have been touched by the Void or the Abyss that they contact me immediately. I can contain the artifacts safely and securely before either neutrilizing them or sending them back to where they originated.
These objects include (but are not limited to): Black pyramids with white spheres encased within them (usually cold to the touch with smooth surfaces, sizes may vary), objects that appear to bend the space around them, inanimate objects that speak to you via telepathy and try to convince you to pray/serve to one of the various entities associated with the Abyss/Void, anything made from the corpse of an Urzilak (or any such Durva Servitor), any object wielded by or gifted to someone by an Infused (or any other Abyssal Entity for that matter), and especially any object "blessed" by a Void God.
If you also begin hearing voices from beings claiming to be a Void God, Forgotten God, or an Urzilak (Wyrm/Servitor) do not respond. I would ask again that you contact me so that we may take steps to prevent these entities from speaking with you and spreading their influence. In my studies I have discovered that these beings grow in power as their influence spreads. And once they have enough power, it's lights out for our reality.
If some of you do not heed my warnings and choose to use the artifacts or commune with the Abyssal and Void entities, then I suggest you enjoy your momentary high of harnessing Void Energy for your own ends. Know that you play into the hands of powers beyond your understanding and that you will make enemies of many nations and beings who wish to preserve our existence.
Again, please contact me should you encounter any artifacts or entities that are associated with the Abyss or Void.- Dr. Nu'Iva Shal.
Representing the Nivenian Imperial Diplomatic Department is NP-L2-ASI01, 720 ZHz
Hello Dr. Shal,
Nothing about what you just said makes any sense!
1. What are "Mystic Arts" supposed to be?
2. It should be noted that several of the descriptions you ave given for void-touched or abyss-touched artifacts either include everyday materials, or indicate insanity already.
2a. "... Black pyramids with white spheres encased within them (usually cold to the touch with smooth surfaces, sizes may vary) ..." - You realize how easily these could be forged now that we have a description, right?
2b. "... objects that appear to bend the space around them ..." - Does this mean that neutron stars, black holes, and my spacetime engineering research are all cursed?
2c. "... inanimate objects that speak to you via telepathy and try to convince you to pray/serve to one of the various entities associated with the Abyss/Void ..." - Yes, this would make you go crazy, given as how having random voices talking in your head is a sign of auditory hallucination, which is strongly associated with Schizophrenia.
2d. "If you also begin hearing voices from beings claiming to be a Void God, Forgotten God, or an Urzilak (Wyrm/Servitor) do not respond." - Okay, I agree with you there, but instead of "... [taking] steps to prevent these entities from speaking with you ...", which I assume means an exorcism, maybe go to a mental hospital instead?
3. "Again, please contact me should you encounter any artifacts or entities that are associated with the Abyss or Void." - Even if your story is true, I suspect you will get billions of prank calls from wackos that 3-D printed fake pyramids.
In conclusion, I suspect that everything that you mentioned either does not exist, or is simply the product of the mental instabilities of the user. This, of course, begs the question as to whether you are mentally stable as well.Have a nice day!
Representing the Nivenian Imperial Diplomatic Department is NP-L2-ASI01, 720 ZHz
I have sent you a package containing two hundred fabricated black pyramids with white spheres inside of them of the descriptions requested, made largely from Boron Arsenide (do not try to eat them, mostly nontoxic otherwise), which has an extremely high thermal conductivity, making them cold to the touch.
Have a nice day!
Dear NP-L2-ASI01 of the Nivenians,
While I do find the nature of your gifts humorous, I would kindly ask that you refrain from sending such things again. We cannot spend all day opening packages containing fabricated pyramids and I'm sure you can find something better to do with your time. As to your questions:
1. The Mystic Arts are a sacred method of harnessing and applying the innate magic that my people are born with. An outsider such as yourself may not know much about them, as the more traditionalist elders of our society only allow females of my species to practice the Mystic Arts. A backwards way of thinking, but that's just how it is.
2. "Every day materials"? Indeed if you do see these things every single day then perhaps you are the one who is insane. Either that or an entity is trying really hard to contact you. Maybe both actually.
2a. The pyramids I'm referring to have varying anomalous properties that a mere fabrication could not replicate. If someone is replicating these they would be wasting their resources. Creating such objects would not gain you a connection to the Abyss or the Void, as you must have noticed when you made two hundred of the things.
2b. Obviously naturally occurring phenomenon and objects that we have extensive research on do not qualify. I admit that I was not specific enough in that description. However I suspect that anyone with passing knowledge of the universe around them would know that a star is not cursed.
2c. Anyone who has done any research on the subjects know that Abyssal Entities, while they can cause insanity, are not explicitly associated with Schizophrenia.
2d. An exorcism? Nothing as crude as that. And your average mental hospital is not going to be able to remove the touch of Abyssal or Void entities. I have methods of removing such influences.
3. Well due to your recent stunt all mail sent to me will be thoroughly scanned and inspected before I see it. If there truly are billions of people that are willing to spend time and resources to mail me more of these fabrications, then perhaps this universe truly is doomed.
I can assure you that these objects and entities are real. I have encountered them myself and many beings from the Mirus and Tyris Major galaxies have seen them too. Not just your average civilians mind you, but soldiers, doctors, scientists, and political leaders have witnessed them. Your skepticism, while healthy, is grounded in the fortunate fact that your people have not encountered the Void or Abyss in any capacity yet.Representing the Nivenian Imperial Diplomatic Department is NP-L2-ASI01, 720 ZHz
Hello Dr. Shal,
That made quite a bit more sense than before, but some questions still have been left unanswered. I am glad that you found my gifts humorous, but
1. You literally just changed the word from "mystic" to "magic," which says nothing. I meant more along the lines of either what its properties were, or a brief description of how it works (e.g. nanotech, quantum impellers, artificial spacial dipole fields, etc.). If this is a state secret, just say so, and I will stop asking.
2. How is Boron Arsenide cursed, though? I was merely referencing materials with similar properties that matched the physical descriptions given (e.g. cold to the touch, achieved via using a material with high thermal conductivity).
2a. I mainly just meant that even if there are a substantial number of real such objects, I would expect at least an equal number of forgeries coming from wackos who want to rip people off with fake artifacts.
2b. Just making sure.
2c. I meant that there might be a causation issue, as I would expect Schizophrenia --> Auditory hallucinations to be a simpler explanation than Auditory hallucinations = Spirits --> Insanity for why people with auditory hallucinations tend to be insane, and thus more plausible via Occam's razor.
2d. I meant that, using the logic from 2c, if people with the given auditory hallucinations really just have Schizophrenia, then would not regular mental hospitals do a better job of handling them?
3. That is a good thing, I presume, as I strongly suspect (though do keep in mind that this was not my intent) that I have started some kind of a fad, at least internally.
In conclusion, if I were to tell you that you found absurd, for example that spacetime was really a form of cheese, you might think that it was more likely that I was insane than that being true. Likewise, I currently think it more likely that you are insane than your theory being true as well. It is not personal, you have at least tried to give an explanation, and you seem otherwise a reasonable and well-adjusted individual. Give me a theoretical model consistent with current experiments, and I might change my opinion.Have a nice day!
Dear NP-L2-ASI01 of the Nivenians,
1. As I said before the Mystic Arts are the method in which my people use to apply our magic. The magic itself is a part of our biology believe it or not. Assuming that you have an understanding of Essence Theory, I would describe that our magic is an extension and divergence from Essence that we can harness. Respectfully, I would rather not spend a lot of time discussing the history behind all of this, as I would have to regale you with the history of my people. There are plenty of texts you could read if you are that interested.
2. Boron Arsenide is not cursed. Well, at least it shouldn't be. I've yet to do any studies on the compound myself. As far as I know it's a pretty good semiconductor, but not anomalous.
2c/2d. Sure if we were to go by Occam's razor, I would agree that Schizophrenia would be the most simple cause of hallucinations. And yes, a mental hospital would be something I would refer them to after determining that they are indeed schizophrenic and not in contact with the aforementioned entities. I am a medical professional after all, NP-L2-ASI01. The 'Dr.' in front of my name isn't for show after all.
And what do you want me to prove? That Abyssal/Void artifacts and entities exist? Or that even the Abyss exists? Because there is substantial evidence to support both claims. It is strange that you believe that the burden of proof is on me to prove phenomenon that people before either of our births have observed for thousands, even millions of years. Firstly, I wrote a peer-reviewed historical and first-hand study that has been published on the subject named On The Abyss. Second, there are many other historical texts I can refer you to that were written by historical figures who have been effected by or have looked into the Void and Abyss.
You need a scientific model or proof of an Abyssal/Void entity affecting our realm? Then you'd only need to look into the First Void War, where Xizothano Ada (known commonly as Ada the Empty God) waged war on our reality. My own father, Commander Cizron Shal fought within the ranks of the Unified Alliance of Enlightenment and actually saw Matrukoris, the UAE's capital ringworld get ripped apart by Ada's immense power. Decades later the Infused would conquer Matrukoris, and years after that my close friend Knight Lord Timaal Gyssealus led an assault to retake the ringworld. He alongside Legion Commander Dione Ardal, multiple United Knights Alliance soldiers, and UAE Olympians saw and fought against the Infused themselves. I even entered the Abyss myself as I outline in On the Abyss and I even had to tangle with Infused here and there. I trust I don't need to go into the extensive evidence of the existence of Void Energy either do I? That alone proves the existence of the Abyss and therefore the implication that the Void is also beyond it.
As far as the artifacts are concerned, again such things have been studied and documented. I even have some in my possession that I am working to neutralize and the Void Eye Empire is a notable empire that has many relics that reek of the Abyss' influence.
If none of that is able to convince you, then I am at a loss as to how I would ever convince you.
-Dr. Nu'Iva ShalRepresenting the Nivenian Imperial Diplomatic Department is NP-L2-ASI01, 720 ZHz
Hello Dr. Shal,
Actually, that was really informative - thank you for attaching your paper, and providing all of the other links, it helped a lot. I think that I may have pieced together a testable mathematical model of the Abyss from the information you gave me, and I will begin testing it experimentally in the near future.
As for the phenomenon being known for thousands or millions of years, that may very well be true. However, the Nivenian Empire has only had contact with the Gigaquadrant for less than two decades, and had the scientific method for less than a millennium, making these phenomena (Void energy, the Abyss, Essence, etc.) completely unknown to us. Believe it or not, there are actually still some mainstream political factions in the Nivenian Empire that believe that the Gigaquadrant does not exist, and is really a hoax put in place by the government. I know that that sounds insane, and that is because it is, but for some reason people believe it nevertheless.
In this political climate, extreme skepticism is required to make reasonable decisions on behalf of the Nivenian Empire, and nothing can be taken for granted. Nevertheless, thank you for providing the materials and sources that you did, and I hope you now have some insight into why I had to be skeptical.
P.S. I think Mr. Harris is going to start trying to rip people off with fake artifacts, as he has apparently built a giant factory to mass-produce them. I just wanted to warn you about that.Have a nice day!
Representing the Nivenian Imperial Diplomatic Department is NP-L2-ASI01, 720 ZHz
Hello Dr. Shal,
Update: Mr. Harris has somehow began making a profit selling millions of full-size fake void pyramids, and somehow 1/10000 scale void pyramids have become a minor fad in the Nivenian Empire as well. A stupid side effect of this of which you should be aware is that about seventy million lunatics have actually started mailing you these miniature void pyramids, thinking that they were real.
I did not mean to start this fad, and I think that there are probably a few more days before the packages arrived, so I just wanted to warn you.
As for why this is happening, I suspect that a small fraction of the perpetrators of a small fraction of robberies of the small fraction of Nivenian households that had bought these novelty pyramids (from Mr. Harris) had read your message and were not smart enough to figure that maybe something that they found inside someone's dresser was not actually a cursed artifact. As for why there are so many, there are a lot of Nivenian households.
Luckily the number is not anywhere near a billion.Have a nice day!
Dear NP-L2-ASI01 of the Nivenians,
Honestly I was unaware of how short your time on the Gigaquadrantic stage has been. Knowing this, I understand your skepticism in the face of my claims. I mean, quite frankly when my father told me he witnessed a "world ripped apart by a god" I didn't quite believe him either. I didn't take his claims seriously until I witnessed footage of battles from the First Void War during my time as a Koatria Cadet.
As for your future research, I am eager to see what you can find. My own background is in medicine and archaeology, and while I am proficient in mathematics, you would probably be much more capable than I when it comes to doing complex calculations. My end goal is to find a way to prevent external threats from the Abyss or even the Void from entering our reality. If this is something that you would be interested in, I would be happy to have your assistance in this endeavor.
And as for Mr. Harris, while I admire a man of good business sense, He should be cautious. There are some out there who are much more...violent when it comes to procuring artifacts. They could mistake Mr. Harris' stock for a hoard of artifacts kept by a fanatic and declare war. Even worse they could be knocking on the doors of Mr. Harris' customers. And yes, the inspectors have been very displeased with the amount of fake pyramids we have been receiving.
-Dr. Nu'Iva ShalRepresenting the Nivenian Imperial Diplomatic Department is NP-L2-ASI01, 720 ZHz
Hello Dr. Shal, Thank you for your complements, they are most appreciated. I would very much like to work on this phenomenon as much as I can, but I am usually extremely busy with my own research in spacetime engineering. Still, if you ever have any math problems that need a lot of processing power, just call me and I will see what I can do.
Have a nice day!
Representing the Nivenian Imperial Diplomatic Department is NP-L2-ASI01, 720 ZHz
Okay, maybe we got the scale a bit off (or four orders of magnitude), but it would still be possible, and fabrication would still be a legitimate concern, especially for rich lunatics who want to try and convince everyone that they should be worshiped.
Have a nice day!
Just curious, what are the exact dimensions of the pyramids?
Sincerely,
Avery HarrisDear Avery Harris,
Creating these objects will not cause a Abyssal or Void entity to speak to you. Unless you like having the pyramids as decorations I recommend not wasting your time.
- Dr. Nu'Iva ShalWhile it does not fit... almost any of the requirements, would our Augment Crystals fit your descriptions? Here is a link to further research, if you'd like.
Dear Sifkrii Domanov,
These Augment Crystals are certainly interesting to say the least. There are a few applications I can think of for them. However the research that you have provided me with does indicate that the origin of these crystals, or at the very least the alloy to create them, is supernatural in origin. I would not dismiss transmutation or the solid consciousness claims without thorough investigation. This "Yddmaoff the Druid" person may have been onto something. Maybe not the creation of the Crystals, but something else.
Anyways, from what I can tell based on your research these crystals do not appear to have any connection to the Abyss or Void. Though if you wish to have a more concrete answer, I would be happy to conduct my own research on these crystals, with your supervision of course.
-Dr. Nu'Iva ShalThank you for your opinion. To clarify slightly, the alloys nature is most likely not supernatural, (as it is mostly uninteresting elements.) It is also slightly hard to study the first aforementioned manual, as the only snippets of it remaining are references scattered among many other books. We will, however, look into it...
Dr.Nu'Iva Shal, Master Mystic, Psionic and PlaneswalkerKnowing your nation's reverence for Voidism, I do have concerns regarding any pyramids or other artifacts you may have in your possession. However, I am also aware that you are no mere novice when it comes to harnessing Void Energy. I trust that you are keenly aware of the dangers of such things. Unlike that zealot Valishar Brygon, I will not lead some sort of crusade against you. I ask only that you proceed your worship with caution. While some of you Voidists want the universe to come to an end, the rest of us are quite happy with...well, existing.
Sincerely,
-Dr. Nu'Iva ShalWonderful! We are mass-producing novelty pyramids in a facility in high orbit of Nivenia A11. You would not believe how many actually will buy novelty artifacts - sales are already in the millions for full-sized artifacts alone.
Sincerely,
Avery Harris, CEO
Given your relation with the Federation of Free States, you may have heard about us Void Shamans already, given our good relation with the Waptoria Alliance of Species, one of the members of the Federation.
We Void Shamans are a relatively new group. We believe that it is possible to harmonize the Void through study, meditation, tolerance and understanding. Unlike Void Zealots, we are not properly Void users, and our only contact with Void Energy is through our Void tech relics used to our meditations.
The reason I decided to respond is because you are an academic expert. We Void Shamans maintain our Void JLibrary, with literature about Void, donated by JFriends or discovered or written bu ourselves, and we are always interested in learning and teaching more. May we share some knowledge, perhaps? I believe that we can learn a lot from each other!Dear JGrox of the Void Shamans
I have heard of your order before. While I find your goals admirable I must admit that they are rather optimistic. From my experience trying to harmonize the Abyss would be a very tall order. Even more so for the Void, since as far as I can tell is ruled by an entity of immeasurable power that wishes to erase all of us from existence.
I am interested in your Void JLibrary though. Perhaps your people have written texts that I am unaware of. I will bring over some texts from the Federation of Free States' archives to add to your Library as well.
-Dr. Nu'Iva ShalThank you for your response, Dr. Nu'Iva Shal.
Yes, trying to harmonize the Void is be a very tall order, for sure, but we believe that it is worth a try.
The same could be said about the old Grox Empire: they also had a similar policy of erasing all non-allied races. However, many descendants of the Grox, including my JGrox, found an alternative. If there is a chance to find an better alternative for the Void, other than erase all of us from existence, we must discover it!
We JGrox managed to find harmony for ourselves, we believe that we can do the same for the Void.
I am happy that you are interested in our Void JLibrary! We are also interested in the Federation of Free States' archives. It would be a nice addiction of our JLibrary, for sure.
Please, come visit us in the JGrox planet anytime, coordinates attached. I will prepare a nice reception for you!
May we harmonize through the Void.Dear Platixi Empire,
I am unsure as to what your intentions are, but I'm glad that I have made an impression at least.
-Dr. Nu'Iva Shal
You cannot purify nothing, you cannot fight nothing. While the power of Purity is strong, the power of the Void, the power of nothingness, overwhelms it. That is why the universe is afraid of the Void, and those who wish to wield it. It is an easily corruptible force that can overwhelm even the strongest of willpowers, and those who are able to use it effectively can do great harm to themselves & those around them.
However, I believe in those loyal to our cause, so perhaps the harmonization, the Purification of the Void may be possible. Though it should be noted that no mortal should attempt to tread the path of the Void, it is a dangerous one, and you will easily find yourself manipulated if you are not careful with your actions.
Purify... the Void...?
I mean... is that even possible? Or does it make sense? Both Pure and Void Energies are two entirely different essences of the Universe!
Or perhaps...... perhaps we may discuss this better in person, Voidmaster.
I will visit your Void JLibrary later. I heard you serve the famous JChocolate to visitors.
May we harmonize through Purity.Yes... may we harmonize, Puremaster.
Greetings God-Emperor Ipliq of the Divinity of Spodia, may I inquire about the "purity" and "purification" you are talking about? Also, may you please tell us more about why the concepts of the Void are so similar to you, since on the first glance it doesn't seem like it. Thank you for your understanding.
