No plans for Belgium as a user from there, so nope. That said, I'd be fun if the Kingdom of the Netherlands eventually grows to be shaped of the modern Benelux - in space. Its shape gave me a genuine laugh the first time I saw it! At that's point it'd be shaped like the United Kingdom of the Netherlands 2.0, but given that state did plenty good during it's brief existence, I wouldn't mind.
I will try to get more involved in the Quadrants though! I would've started with the Waptoria and Imperium of War there where it not for Zilla's fiction in Mirus. Probably I'll do so with some form of semi-benevolent sapient-farming (not sapient-killing) hivemind, though I haven't worked out the specifics.
Oh interessting! A Benelux in space, not a bad idea :D
It might also have inspired me for decendants for in the Endless Space of Benelux origins but not part of the main Kingdom anymore. Well, again thanks for new inspirations :D
And cool, feel very welcome in the Quadrants! There are some events coming up re-shaping the political geography- opening new possibilities in the wake of the fall of Rambo Nation.
Hello Eco. This is Crimson. You may or may not have read my message on the "New Thread" thread. I checked back and saw that no one replied to it. Maybe all three of you guys saw it. Maybe you even forgave me, as was my goal in writing it. Thing is, I won't know unless someone replies, and its the not knowing that's eating at me.
Perhaps you guys are suspicious and think I'm trying to come back. I'm not. I have no ulterior motives other than that what went down between us all has weighed on me ever since, and I want to be at peace with you guys. The reason I'm bothering you with this is because we parted ways the most amicably. Maybe you can tell me if you and the others saw my post and talked about it somewhere else, or just never replied, or maybe you don't forgive because you think I want back. I'm hoping we can all part as friends again after this, but like I said, I won't know and won't be able to put this to bed without someone telling me.
I sort of wrote this as it came to mind, so I hope it isn't too rambling or hard to understand. Sorry to bother you with this. I really hope you'll reply. Peace.
If didn't get it, the others likely didn't either. In any case, I'll try to answer your quetions as detailed as possible.
The main reason you got banned was not because of us, but because you got rude at the Admins. Also ousting yourself as a fascist didn't really help things to say so politely. Anyways, I always had the idea that you weren't, you know, actually a fascist, so it's heartening to see that confirmed at least.
I wasn't involved in your ban: it came practically out of nowhere for me and all I could do was pick up the pieces as best as I managed. So am I really the one you should be asking for forgiveness? I think not. I am keeping your stuff related to mine as canon: Glacier, Shiver, Frostbite, Scavenger ect really didn't bother me at all. I fact I felt rather honored the way you went around things. The reason we never engaged with your fiction to the extend that you did with ours was pretty simple: at that stage there wasn't much to engage in. I tried my best to do so however and still feel that a lot of your early fiction was rather good. In the end though, the multitude of your characters in the Proditkar allowed you to in effect dictate what they could and could not do - and that created problems at it dragged out the first year of the Great Mirusian Conflicts way past it's due. All the new subplots it introduced were the reason we never got it finished. So frankly, yes, you are absolutely correct when it comes to that assumption, but again that doesn't mean your fiction was bad.
Zilla is unlikely to forgive you. To say he was angry at your outing is quite the understatement. He's merged Fenric's first and second occupations of Ugandalore into one just to be done with it. That said, I don't think Fenric was a bad character, however he went trough many, many phrases in his life and his original "regretful rebel" persona that we all liked to see was never well developped before it got phased out. That and Kirta being forced to just watch Fenric die and not even being allowed to kill him after he had allowed his men to commit such atrocities on a regular basis really got on Zilla's nerves. Him freezing to death seems merciful compared to what you had in mind for him (or Fenric being compressed alive in a literal trash compactor - luckily I talked Zilla out that idea, but does give you an indication just how mad he was at you shortly after your ban).
Glynn wasn't around when you got banned - and though initially angry at what had transpired in his abscence, has descided to keep your stuff related to his around for much the same reasons as I have.
That leaves Gorzill, who's a case that I can't tell. In any case I and him have descided to keep the Ultramirusian Empire around as a mayor antagonist for our fiction so that might be an indication. In fact it will probably be the central antagonist for quite some time. What irked me was that I seemed unable to get the Waptoria back together in time to fight the Ultramirusians (oh boy I would've liked that!), but oh well, I'm certain we could've found a way to do so anyways had your quarrel not happened. And I liked Durrandon, yeah. Him getting high and crashing his helicopter on top of Apollyon's HQ really made me laugh. He was comical, but never too much, powerful exactly because he didn't have any special powers. You're right, he made for a good addition.
Breathe in, breathe out. Empty your mind and focus on the good, that should do away with any vestiges on anger you still might have. Peace to you too.
Thank you, Eco. It's very comforting to hear from you.
In any case, I feel that I owed all three of you an apology for what happened. Gorzill especially. I actually don't recall offending Zilla except with my bad Fenric writing, but I guess he has a right to be mad about what happened too. Like I said, the degeneration of Fenric's character is due to me getting sick of him because I couldn't get him right.
I asked you about this mainly because I didn't think you were as angered as Gorzill and Zilla. I would like to make amends with them as well. Perhaps I'll message them sometime like I did you.
I didn't realize you guys were still using my fiction. I figured, and kind of hoped, you'd just declare it all non-canon and be done with it. I think I did mention that I was considering a series of alternate history novels with some inspiration from what I wrote here. I'm glad you liked Durrandon. I was thinking of making him the main character if I did write.
I'm not really angry anymore. The feeling's hard to describe. Disappointment or embarrassment seem closer, but aren't quite it. Ah, doesn't matter. Either way, thanks a lot for replying. It really made me feel better about all this.
Pride, probably. I think it was the great Gary Larson who said when someone else uses your material, even in good faith, its kind of strange. Especially, you know, the way we all parted. I suppose I don't really mind, what with you and I on good terms once again. I'll tell you what I had in mind for UME, but it was definitely a bit early to have a concrete storyline.
Apollyon is definitely going to be killed by Durrandon. He's too stereotypically evil, something Durrandon is not. He'll probably go Stalin-level crazy before Durrandon has enough. Of course, Durrandon will take over and be a much fairer ruler. I imagine him as a rather Leto II like figure. He does what is necessary to keep the peace, and try to break the cycle of violence and warfare. Remember he takes the threat of the Grox, Darklings, and others very seriously.
I think we talked before that the Waps would pull an Onderon resistance movement and get most of their territory back.
Durrandon was gonna be my last main character anyway. I really regretted killing Glacier for Fenric, and I wasn't gonna make the same mistake. Durrandon would've slowly drifted towards being a good guy, and probably just remained there.
That's about all. That does remind me, I did want to share my idea for Scavenger's last story. I started working on it before, but I started on UME and forgot about it. That's the one where O'jib and his crew follow the mysterious creature to a planet it says it thinks W'tze is on. Turns out all life on that planet, and the creature itself, is Scavenger, having escaped the Grox. He'd blame O'jib when he finds out about W'tze's death and try to kill him. In the end, O'jib would destroy the planet and Scavenger's last body escapes on a ship, but the ship is damaged and flies through a wormhole, ending up crashing into Antarctica on Earth thousands or millions of years in the past. I think you know what happens next. Thought it'd be a nice send-off for one of my favorite characters.
Sorry for ruining the Great Mirusian Conflicts by the way.
You know, it almost certainly won't happen, but the thought crossed my mind of writing out my alt history fiction on Alternate History wiki or something. I guess if I do you'd be welcome to collab with me, because you seem to like my UME story. Like I said, I probably won't, but the gesture's there, anyway.
Hey Eco, I've thought about it, and I've decided that I would really prefer if you didn't use my fiction, especially not the Ultramirusians or anything related to them. It's not because I'm mad at you or anything. I don't like the idea of someone, anyone, using something I created. In any case, I'll be using my fiction in some novels. I'm not asking you to retcon all my fiction; all the ones I made before like Quista, Glacier, Scavenger etc can stay. Basically I wouldn't ask you to rewrite any of your own fiction, all the dead guys I wrote can stay, just don't use my fiction in anything new. Does that sound fair to you? Thanks for your consideration my friend.
Ah, I see. It's rather strange, given that is in direct contradiction with what you stated before - that you wouldn't have minded if we had used your creations as liberally as you used ours. We're finally doing it now, and suddenly we can't? That's exactly what irked Zillafire so much. He felt that you basically used his fiction while he couldn't use yours. And that, naturally, is going to lead to friction, since you can't have it both ways.
But hey, given that you have actual plans for your fiction somewhere else, I don't really mind. I mean it. Bringing back the Ultramirusians was Gorzill's idea anyways, not mine. And we had a replacer ready in the Empire of Claws, just in case, so it doesn't really matter.
However, we are planning to redo/finish the Great Mirusian Conflicts (that has not so much to do with your abscence as it has with tying everything together), and so everything (including Niyar's Training) is gonna be rewritten from scratch. In that case, do you still want Glacier ect to be canon?
Keep it brief in any case - you're technically really not supposed to be here.
I'm sorry dude. I know its a 180 of what I said before. I really just want to cut off any remaining ties to this. I'm glad you and I could settle this amicably, and that it won't affect your fiction much.
Its too bad Zilla felt that way. Were I still participating in the fiction, he'd have been more than welcome to use my fiction. You guys should've just asked if you wanted to! I wouldn't have complained unless it was something that didn't fit (which you guys shut me down on a couple times too). Ah, doesn't matter. That's all behind me now.
No, I don't think you should include my fiction in the GMC. My stuff derailed it once, no need for it to do it again. I do appreciate you asking me.
Well, what can they really do? Ban me? Ha ha. No, I don't intend to stick around. I only came to make peace with you guys, which I have done to whatever extent I have. It's up to the three of you now as to how you will remember me.
And that's about it. Like I said, sorry for the last minute decision. I wish I could explain exactly why I came to it. I can't think of any reason why I'd message you again, so until there is one, this is probably goodbye. Talking to you really helped put this to rest. Breathe in, breathe out, right? Thanks, man.
Oh, one last thing. I looked at the Empire of Claws page just to see what it was. I assume you'll remove references to my fiction, and it being some sort of hate sink against me? Thanks. Sorry to have to post again. You can still consider the above my last message.
Basically I'm posting this up so we can talk about how our fiction might interconnect. I already had this discussion with Zilla on the discord and basically how that goes is Mendel and Union Alliance, while everyone hates the Oragru and Sethraki. Though the Deepborn and Balorku might be connected in some way. Anyway do you have any ideas on how our respective fictions might connect?
For good guys something like good blood elves/witch elves ironically. For bad guys I'm making the fanatasyverse Dragowar undead so they can wage eternal war by reviving the corpses of those slain upon the field of battle as thralls.
That depends. Out-of-universe, nothing. In-universe, it fell into inactivity after the formation of the Covenant of Mirus which split the natives araprt in pro- and anti-Covenant parties. With the Hand of Retribution defeated, the Vanara will spearhead a reconciliation process to reform it.
I'm hoping to get a fullblown storyline out of it featuring the Ethereal Enlightenment as pseudo-terrorist enemies who want to prevent it as they see themselves as the only true UAE already. You're free to join in if you feel like it.
Good work on the Dynastic Systems of Sal'ir, by the way!
This happens shortly after the Hand of Retribution.
It is the Vanara who spearhead the reconciliation process.
Either the Vanara bring the Olympians back or they are reconned as never leaving.
I'm hoping to get a fullblown storyline out of it featuring the Ethereal Enlightenment as pseudo-terrorist enemies who want to prevent it as they see themselves as the only true UAE already. Perhaps we can rework the Ultramirusians as a non-UAE faction equally opposed to the rise of the UAE, this time without the fascistic undertones.
Sounds good to me, just one change I would like to suggest. I would like for this to happen after Qliphoggr's Accession. Cause that's when the Vanara remove their curse and the SAT forms.
As for the Olympians, while I still like for Syrior to go on a quest to reunite them. I was thinking maybe their leaving could be an over time thing cause by Darkling predation, loss of funding due to UAE going defunct, indignity due to UAE going defunct, the destruction cause by Qliphoggr, and other things. With the Vanara being what they are now and Auvia's general attitude, it just seems out of character for them to try and disband the Olympians. That and the way I'm reworking the Sephirah Hosts means they really can't truly replace the Olympians.
As for the Ultramirusians, hmmm. Perhaps a group against the idea of major Mirusian powers uniting since they feel the powers need to compete with on establishing dominance over the other? Just a thought.
Glad you like it. The way I have it in my head is that Sephirah are much stronger the Olympians, but each Host has a fixed number of 300 members, that reincarnated into a new body upon death. Olympians are weaker by comparison but at (I'm guessing) 1000 per chapter there are many more. Also if one dies you can just grab a new recruit instead of looking for the Sephirah's reincarnation.
By the way I'm decannonizing the Viracholt and Grunclaw. Playing through the Eye of the Vortex campaigns and decided that all my factions are going to be ever so slightly inspired by the playable factions there. Interestingly my "High Elves" have become evil, while my "Skaven" are more neutral. Funny how that works.
@Zilla - That was what Crimson originally intended anyways.
@Gorzill - I like the gradual leaving better too.
Something that I was also thing about was that Attero Dominatus, many of the cones that were until then used as the Olympian's auxilliary forces would be either dead, shellshocked and traumatised, or have reached retirement age. With the war over, the UFG would need to scale back the creation of clones, too.
The solution I propose is something akin to the Tyranny's synthetics. Now I am not actually specing about recruiting actual synthetics (that is Kradik's job!) but more about the EC working together once more to make new Olympian auxilliaries to work side-by-side with the Clones that can still serve. The result would be more like a Waptorian (?) symbiote melding with and controlling a suit of armor in the shape of a Creed's primary species - easy to produce and incorruptible but as elite as a regular solider. Perhaps each synbiote is even grown from the Creed's gene-matrix, making the auxilliaries similar in temperament to the Creed they serve and preventing ruptures.
Considering how different the Sephirah and the relation to the Olympians is now, how would you all feel about having the Sephirah become a joint UAE project and a different Host going to a different faction?
@Gorzill - That works. Since the Mendel don't have much reason to distrust the Sephirah, they'll welcome it.
I'm also retconning the Vermillion takeover of Ugandalore out of existence entirely now. Whether or not we keep his stuff is up to you guys, but I don't want that damn Fash's stuff near my stuff. The only thing I'm keep is the Lagorthenes, because they make a good punching bag like ] from Jojo.
I can't stand the Fashy's shit on my page. Do what you want with the rest, but I'm pulling a Disney, and retconning that crap out of existence.
@Gorzill - Or not so much species a all but rather ideologies? I'm not talking about anything political here but rather the metaphysical, like how they see this reality in relation to others, the past, future, and such things.
@Zilla/All - I'll keep the Blood Brothers, Scythe and Pseudopath in canon existence. Since the Viterva Khmara have always been something of a favorite of mine, they'll remain canon as well. As confusing as the Blood Brothers storyline was sometimes (especially when it came to the Darkling Convents), Crimson wasn't yet a self-described fascist back then. Since you've retconned the Fenric storyline and and Gorzill has effectively already done the same with the Ultramirusians, the only option left for me is to say that the Blood Brothers, after their defeat at the Hands of the New Enlightened, were left so weakened without Glacier that they were reabsorbed by the Proditkar Movement, with their leadership like Glacier, Shiver and Scavenger escaping - though I guess Glynn now has to descide what happens to Iyoka and the Quista Clan.
I'm thinking of making the Viterva Khmara good guys in the end as they have a lot of potential to where the UAE could eventually head in the far future (aka a superorganism were the distinction between the different races no longer exists). Perhaps the Viterva Khmara, lead by a prophesy of the Monolith, play a role in getting the UAE back together and take over the UAE after the BB's collapse.
I have honestly no idea what to do with Scavenger. I like him as character and I do like his story arc but I have never really OK with the ACC invasion of Raptoranea since they are in two different galaxies and the ACC had no reason to do that. The best thing I can find is to incorporate both it, Glacier and Shiver into the War of Thorns as substitutes of Fenric who apparently no longer is canon. That means Shiver gets killed in the initial invasion of the Queen of Thorns, Glacier gets either killed by Oji'b or mercy-killed by S01-ID when the Queen is already in control of Raptoranea (in either case Glacier will get to do some pretty awesome stuff before the end, like single-handedly holding off an entire battalion of Father-Brain loyalists for several hours), and Scavenger gets the exact same death as before but with Father-Brain instead of the Eternal-Mind.
As for the Hive of Mirus, I've even less ideas. So Chantal relied on Crimson to rely ideas to me who managed the Hive for her, and now that chain of transmittors is dead. Well, Crimson claimed that he managed the Hive instead, but apparently he misunderstood. I guess I'll just leave the Hive here in a state of limbo even though there is no way Chantal can return to this wiki as of current.
@Eco/Zilla - Yeah I was thinking that the Sephirah are tied to the ideals that are factions just so happen to embody rather then the political faction.
@Eco - The Vadyadhara and Anthrax are the only thing of his my faction is strongly connected to, but I guess you know own them so I'll go through you for their fate. Vadyadhara just don't work any more with retcons to the origins of the Vanara and Insurrection Virus, Anthrax to is based on lore long out of date. I'd just retcon them out of existence since I have no real interest in doing the rewelding to make them work.
Raptoraneans are part of the UAE trough the Waptoria, the Pseudopath and Scythe joined in the Gigaquadrantic Conflicts (since Fenric and the Ultramirusians are non-canon, Vertigo and Dread, both pro-UEA, are still in control). The Viterva will be the first newbies to join, and I guess Zarbania too. After that I assume Shiznasty would want at least some of his stuff in since he appears to be very willing to collaborate with us.
@Eco - Fenric is canon. He won't take over Ugandalore a second time, but he will appear the Mendel Schism. My plan now is, he'll try to assassinate Kirta after she gets back home, and she gives him the Steely Dan treatment.
@all - Would you mind if each member of the Quadraid got a Sephirah Host, since that would give me four and leave the rest of you to split up the remaining six?
@Eco - I imagine by the time the UAE became a superorganism (if it ever does). The members of the Quadraid would have long left their bodies behind and ascended to dwell purely in Accel Space. In fact I'm even going to be creating an entity who's purpose is to push this along, possibly from the future.
@Zilla - I'm not certain that begging falls within the realm of Fenric's personality though. Yes, Fenric was a crime boss, but he fancied himself a High King and would thus not see himself as just any sort of criminal, closer to the maffia than any murdane criminal gang.
Then again Fenric's personality has been retconned so much that he really can be anything.
@Zilaa - So Fenric and Crimson are the same individual now? On one hand, that's so surreal and Fenric is written so simplistically that it's funny. On the other hand...
Fenric isn't a fascist, mainly since Crimson wasn't either at that point. Conflagating one with the other is an historical anachronism.
Unlike the the Largothenes, he doesn't hate the Karguan and isn't a racist. That's Durrandon.
Again, he styles himself like a king or maffia boss. Swearing is so boorish and totally unfit for somone as "dignified" as the Vermillion Don.
I'm exaggerating here, of course - Fenric does swear a lot under stress but only then, such as when Kirta finally turns the tables against him.
He's not a sleasy slimeball. That behavior is fit for Thorian the Peon and most of Fenric's lackeys including the Largothenes but not for Fenric himself.
I guess my main gripe with it is that, well, Fenric and Crimson basically become the same person there for a moment. Carrying over gripes into storylines is...almost belittling, I'd say. Preventing belittlement was the reason the user relationships were done away with, if I recall correctly, and here your nowadays negative opinion on Crimsonfire carries over heavily. I don't know if that's...wise, considering the rules of this wiki, even if Crimson is banned.
The fingerpointing that follows and everything from then onwards, however, including Fernic's "I deserve to be King because of blood!" and the Mt. Ikhu reference, is totally on point and totally safe.
Overall I have no problems with it if it was just to write off steam. It's a highly valid strategy and I do it too at times.
It may be a time traveler, and I already have an idea of who its masters are. As of now the only thing known in-universe is that it just appears randomly, causes death and destruction, and then vanishes. Sometimes it's protecting someone (usually Lansker), or it's just acting as a assassin.
Hell the Viterva Khmara probably have no idea what this thing is themselves. Even Lansker doesn't really, just that it has a habit of killing things that try to kill her.
Lansker and the Viterva have always been connected, haven't they? They almost have to be connected as they are both connected to future shenanigans. They, and the entire W'tze/S01-ID subplot which is hugely important for the War of Thorns.
You see, in the far future Lankser is from, Father-Brain has suceed in his plan to wipe out the Waptoria, which is where W'tze and S01-ID come in (one is a member of a small-scale rebel movement send to the past to prevent the extinction and the other is the past verion who has branched off into his own being due to amnesia being a thing). If she knows the original time-traveller amongst the two, Lansker could have remedied said amnesia, if both Raptoraneans weren't dead by the time she makes her debut appearance.
(Yes, I know Lansker has come to warn against Qliphoggr but Unitech is located in the Milky Way and are thus safe. They "just" annihilated the remains of the future Waptoria when they fled to the Raptoranean Matriarchy, which was under control of the Queen of Thorns who in this version never split from Father-Brain's command.)
Even then, Unitech is racist on a species-wide scale, so creating an organisation from hybrids of all mayor races in the UAE (whom they despise and would like to see dead) defenitely isn't their doing. It would rather seem to me that the Monolith was yet another desperate bid for survival on the part of the future UAE (whom the future Vanara might or might not be associated with). In that case at least the Monolith would know.
The only thing I know about any Lansker Viterva connection is this: In fact, it was not even alien to them. It was sent by former members of the UAE from the far future in order to create the Viterva Khmara, part of a plan to stop a fellow time traveler called Lansker from corrupting the past to fit her own vision. - Not sure about how cannon that is now.
As far as Lansker coming from the future where the Unitech took out the Wapss, well Lansker remembers nothing about where she came from or how she got here. She more just has a set of instructions about how to stop big Q uploaded into her head. So probably, but nothing concrete. She's going to show up sometime around the SGCW, though not necessarily part of the SGCW (might be, might not).
One theory I have is that the Viterva and Lansker could be the difference between absolute collectivism and a balance between collectivism and individualism respectively. The Monolith being sent back to make everyone part of the same faction so there would be no difference and thus eliminate evil and the possibility of Qliphoggr returning would vanish. Lansker being sent back to gather heroes that would use their individual talents and traits to embody a virtue and work together to defeat Qliphoggr.
@Eco - No, my problem is with Fenric alone. I never liked his character. He did some of the most morally reprehensible things in the entire Sporewiki sci fi universe, and never got punished for it. Joined the Hand in the Mendle Schism and unleashed the Lagorthene on Ugandalore? Got away before he could be captured and undermined the victory every step he could.
Took Ugandalore, and polluted it, spread drugs all over, unleashed hordes of barbarian rapists and pillagers like Mad Max, destroyed the system of democratic governance on the world, and allowed whole sale ethnic cleansing of entire races? Gets to fly off to Mt. Ikhu and start a new criminal empire. By the end of it, Kirta and the peoples lives he's ruined don't even get the satisfaction of killing him, because he gets to die on his own terms.
And after everything he's done, all this morally disgusting behavior, drugs, assassinations, mutilations, terrorism, Crimson still tries to make Fenric out to be these "complex" character and all that jazz. I honestly couldn't stand Fenric, and really, reaaalllly wanted him to suffer, but never got the chance, because Crimson wanted to "explore and expand" his character. It felt insulting on every level that this asshat comes into the capital of my main fiction twice, and utterly screws them over at every turn.
Honestly, that was the main reason I was excited for Duraandon, because he actually seemed more likable and more, no pun intended, human then Fenric. No ethnic cleansing, no drug dealing, and while he was evil, I actually cared about his character.
Long story short, that was me getting all my frustrations of Fenric out, and deal with a character whose done nothing but cause my own suffering at every turn. Crimson's screwed up, own disgusting political ideals had very little to do with it. Also, kind of the reason he comes across as so simple, is because I intend for him to get a brain injury during the final battle, and lose it.
@Zilla - That explains a lot. I always wondered how you could take that stuff for so long. Honestly, one invasion of Ugandalore was already enough.
Crimson wanted to make his characters morally complex and all that, yet they always became more or less the same thing in the end: druglords obsessed with the paranormal who, besides Glacier, all propagated massive ethnic cleanings (Durrandon is no exception to this, only this time it was the Vanara instead of the Mendel) and never got any sort of retribution for it. I'm surpised the Waptoria never got cleansed, but that's probably because Eldarisia already did it.
I generally kept my fiction away from his' ever since he basically tried to take over some of my fiction (Unitech and the Crimson Splinter) when Glynn's activity waned, changing the Splinter from a group of tactical terrorists using their perfect Volver genes to their fullest by pulling off insane assassinations to avenge Crimson into a group of pseudo-Unitech beast handlers who lacked any of that and putting Iyoka in charge. Not only did he tuned Iloburaas into a mere figurehead without my imput, he had the gall to make Iyoka the man behind Crimson. Heck, at one point, he even made the false claim to Glynn that he created the Splinter in an attempt to gain sole control of the faction. That resulted in me basically telling him to create his own fiction, after which the Blood Brotherhood was born.
I'm not normally one for swearing, but if it was up to me, I'd undo Iyoka's shit in a heartbeat while keeping the character intact with the much reduced role he actually should have had. It's quite frankly an affront to Glynn's fiction to claim he was in control all along.
Same. I'm not sure but I feel he may have tried to take over the Singularity, or rather direct them in the way he thought best. A way I disagreed with. I think he may have wanted to other things with my fiction but was unable to. I remember a request to have one of his characters defeat all of the Vanara Six in Ryu form.
Now about something else: so Takanius will be coming to Cyrannus soon. Will his team tag along? Will they work with the Order? And what will Kradik do - strike an alliance with the Great Star Dominion against the Empire, take revenge against his once-favorite Azuris (especially since I plan for Caracalla to get killed by the Mortalitas Dynast), or someting else entirely?
@Both - Yeah, I was hoping Takanius and his team could work with the AO in the war. Kradik, not sure. He is driven by jealousy and self-centered ideals, so he'll see Cyrannus as his by birthright, and have no patience for Zillum, especially considering Kradik's own family was the victim of political assassination.
Thanks! And yep DI, he's actually too complex for my game to handle properly. He's invisible if I don't view him in an editor and he crashed it once.
By the way as for the Vanara now being Mirusian natives, I still plsn on it being the Raptoraneans that met them in the Milky Way. Basically they met a group of Vanara that fled there.
Also me and Zilla cannonized this on the discord last night - "Basically a war between the Ungandalorians and the Vanara when both were in their "asshole conquer everyone phase". The war eventually reaching a stale mate and then ending with the Ugandalorian time-skip and the Old Vanara Empire getting nomed by the Scelus."
Right, well the Quadraid is all boarder each other. The Sacred Vanara Empire sits to the east bordering the Mendel, the Clan Trade Order sits to the west boarding the MTC, the Vaelnier Stewardship sits to the North bordering the Waptoria, and the Gigacollective sits to the south boarding no one else. The Concord Regulated Systems are no longer cannon. The Hive Legions are in the far northeast.
The MTC quite like the Sacred Vanara Empire while their opinion of the Clan Trade Order is...not so high. With Crimson banned, I also no longer will have to take his fictions into account, which means that it is perhaps more logical to swap the positions of the Mendel/UFG and the MTC since that places the Ugandalorians and Zarbanian closer together. Does that change anything regading positions or do they stay the same?
It's mainly due to residue Brothrhood of Spode influence. While they were generally a lot nicer than the Nations of Spode, they absolutely distrusted traders and anything material for that matter. That's not so say that the MTC isn't on friendly terms with the CTO, just that they aren't as close as I expect them to be with the rest of the Quadriad.
They're basically messengers that occasionally show up to deliver some message to the Vanara and/or their gods. They do this by wrestling with them, with what the angel is trying to say communicated through the movements and maneuvers the angel tries to use to overpower them.
They're also the only thing the Vanara will take an order from.
Heh. That quite coincides with the Buzzwole episode that aired today.
Also new Attack on Titan chapter. I have the feeling that both last sentences spoken in the chapter refer to the imminent explosion that's going down. And given what Eren planned to do with that crystal, Hanji might get her dream, you know?
I had no idea, that's funny. I got the idea from the story of Jacob wrestling an angel, because he refused to give in against such an adversary he was given the name Israel, which means "he who wrestles with God".
@All - How would you all feel about me reworking the Vanara pantheon to make it somewhat more resentment of the Aztec pantheon? I ask but we might need to reconsider how our pantheons interact because of it.
@Both - I'm thinking of retconning the Proditkar Movement after seeing this. I might work them into later stories and build them up as a better foe rather then just the Multus, but EVUL, and possibly build up a more sinister threat.
Possibly make their motives less clear cut for one. Rather then Pridar being an arrogant military maverick, I might just make their reasons for rebelling and not following the Council a complete mystery.
Remember the Monitors? The Multus Esse creations that were made before the Observers, but had to be sealed away cause they were to power hungry? Well I kinda want to retcon them a bit.
Instead of making them power hungry monsters I was instead thinking of them being actually rather placid, innocent, and dumb creatures that never the less have to slayen because they more or less are sapient elements that will stretch until they cover the whole planet unless their avatars are killed.
So I started watching this new anime called Darling in the FranXX, and honestly it's pretty good. If you can get past the fact that the piloting position looks like butt sex, its got some good characters, drama, unique monster and mecha designs, and well done fight scenes. It's clearly inspired by Eva and Pacific Rim, but still manages to be its own thing. I would honestly suggest it.
@All - Back form hiatus (more or less). I've looked up the Claxe and I really like what I'm seeing so far. Since they live underground, much like the Skaven, and since they're basically robots, how about there is a little bit of the Tomb Kings/Necrons thrown in as well? In that they have not a single home region, but have dynasties scattered all troughout the galaxy (much like the Lizardmen are in both Lustria and the Southlands). The core would be the sole exception, as the Claxe there would've been destroyed by the ACC, possibly even by the Necrox.
@All - I'm thinking of retconning the Mirusian Theocratic Congregation abit. I want to step away from the very obvious Halo overtones of it, and I want to retcon the Tarquam into another, similar race, from Metroid, though one more linked to the Federation/UAE then anything.
@All - Well, my main computer crashed and burned now. I managed to throw a bunch of my Spore files onto the Wiki before it died, but I don't know if I'll be able to make it onto the Discord chat, and I won't have Spore for a while.
By the way I was thinking about having Qliphoggr be a more consistent threat in Mirus even after QA. It won't be manifesting physically like it did during its Ascension, rather it will be working behind the scenes through its servants and cultists as after being banished it cannot intervene directly. My villains in the past have all been one shots and I'd like to avert that from now on.
On an even more creepier note I'm making it cannon that Qliphoggr cannot create anything, even the evil it represents. Rather it merely corrupts or perpetuates traits already found in mortals. In fact Big Q finds it rather amusing (not that it can truly be amused mind you) how mortals can be more creatively and dastardly evil then even it can come up with, since it doesn't have an original idea in its head.
Question for all: How would you feel about me some sort of Eye of terror-esque Accel Space phenomena in Vanara territory? I'd have the Vanara purge any taint of the Ten Power (Malefic Accel Energy) from the eye expy making it a benevolent force.
@Eco - Sorry I forgot about this, but concern your question on the piratepad, I'm considering replacing Tohouki with Tselaya as one of Takanius teammates. I'll probably blend traits of the two together if this ends up being the case.
@Everyone One idea I do have in mind is that individual Koatria are becoming more and more powerful allowing them to solo more missions. They still work as teams but since they're now becoming one person armies teams will frequently split up to take on several missions at a time.
The reason I want to do this is to provide more flexibility with Koatria characters, as bringing an entire team along every time we use these characters can both be awkward at times and isn't the most practical. That way we can include them in more stories with more ease and put more time into developing them individually. Also having the entire team get together will really drive home just how big the threat is.
Whelp BIG change to Vanara backstory just happened. Instead of meeting the other Enlightenment Alliance members after marauding through space for bit as nomads, they now meet them after escaping from slavery and being used endlessly in all sorts of horrific experimentation at the hands the Dominatus.
@Gorzill - Super Metroid is a great start. Very dark and atmospheric. The Metroid Prime Trilogy for the Wii is also amazing, and has some of the darkest parts of the series. I don't think they have games on PC, but you can probably get a port or something online.
You know guys, I'm getting really dispirited by a lot of stuff. I just keep putting all this effort into my fictions, all these hours spent, and I just feel like I'm getting nothing out of it. I go on Discord, and I put a bunch of work into something, and then when I ask people for feedback, I just get ignored.
Yesterday, even when I @everyone'ed, I still got nothing. Even with all this work, no one cares about my fiction. Its really starting to feel like there's no reason to write here anymore.
I'm really sorry you're feeling that way, but I may have some advice that could help, it certainly helped me. Post up more creations on aecor, it's a really easy way for people to take note of your work (also download some mods). Do some community recreations for people, it will get them to notice you. Also look into ways that your fiction can connect to others and talk to them specifically about it. The Kitsune only became the monster of a mech model it is because I directly contacted GD about and discussed it with him. Even if you've already done all this, do it all more.
You probably won't see immediate results and admittedly our fiction will always be perhaps a little niche, but you've gotta try and you cannot give up or give in (also pinging everyone is just gonna annoy people and get the exact opposite effect of what you want).
Even if all else fails I'll always be here for you and I'll always be your friend. Even if I, by some curse, became the most popular user on the wiki (and god help me if that ever happened) I will always find time for you and this group we have. Because when I first joined this wiki I was all alone and unnoticed until you guys invited me and made me feel at home and that my fiction belong and was worth something. And for that I won't abandon you.
Seriously though man I will cry if you leave, no joke, and it won't be dignified manly tears. I will be a sobbing, pathetic mess.
You guys all might find this idea interesting for how Accel Entities, Prerunners, and the Persacron communicate. Introspective Communication, in others words they communicate by inducing introspection in one another.
Since Stahl's last wish to the Overseers is "just do what you want from now on", the Berzerkers of Bruteigon will do just that. Each and every one of them. At the conclusion of the Great Tyranny War, each Overseer already was a one-man army, so perhaps this was only the acknowledgement of reality. In any case, the Berzekers of Bruteigon, as an organisation, effectively ceases to exist. Neither Bruteigon nor his Berzerkers feel they are entitled each other any form of fealty any longer. Cameraderie perhaps, but fealty - fealty interferes with freedom. Though some take the mercenary path, most of them take that freedom to fight for the Imperium of War, for they are Dragowar if not of an inferior form. Once in the Imperium, though, they come to face a new problem. These Dragowar Overseers, in the Tyranny, mixed the raw agression of the Dragowar Berserker with the lumbering strength of the Dragowar Brute. Of coure, the Imperium already has both, so the Dragowar Overseers simply focus on what both lack - Dominatus training. Conquest means efficiency, even trough the red haze of rage. This does not imply a change in combat doctrine but rather an elevation of what already existed. So did the Berzerkers of Bruteigon become the Brazen Butchers, slaughtering each foe in a single blow. With the Imperium of War broken into the various Duellum Warbands, the esteem of the Brazen Butchers rose even higher - after all, there existed to these Dragowar no better weapon than to dispatch rival Warlords with. They are, as such, mainkly found in the Tuuros galaxy nowadays, pillaging alongside their Warbands, or more rarely, fighting alongside those Eternal Guard that also sought refuge in that blighted home of theirs. With many trophy heads to attest to their still fearsome skills, the Brazen Butchers continue to live in relative luxury, even in a galaxy generally ass poor as Tuuros. It is rare however that they stay in one Warband for too long, for their numbers are still dwindling and there are always more Warlords in need of their executioners' axes, more favourable conditions to be enjoyed, more heads to sever, and more spines to cleave.
Without 01, the Steel Reapers are doomed as I understand it. ACC assimilation campaign of them is largely a failure, but as the singlemost powerful remaining Grox faction, many survivors came willingly. Alas, the Evermind had descided that Meta Grox stock was still inferior to Alpha Grox stock, no matter how enhanced, and wastes a huge amount of time and resources into producing a new bath of Steel Reapers of Alpha Grox genes. By then, Overseers are no longer relevant, and most of the Steel Reapers who joined have either left again, now working for less powerful Grox factions like the Kraw and Phradox Grox, or serving as the tutors for this new (but ultimately somewhat wasted) host.
Some Abomination of Azathoth Mirus Loron Captain. Doesn't rule over a tribe but rather uses his intimitating physique, extreme intellect (for a Loron) and essence-born mind control powers to dominate various groups of Mirus Loron into servitude. Numerous attemts to take him out, both by Taan'Jiborr and by outside powers, have been undertaken, but so far the "Terror of the Deep" has twarthed them all, adding the Loron to his ranks while the other would-be assassins have simply vanished without trace. Mainly raids the Mirusian powers that fought against the Turanny but unexpectedly teamed up with them during the Wars of the Mirusian Coalition. Has not been seens since but is definitely still around - in truth, this is silence before the storm as he has finally teamed up with Taan'Jiborr. Whatever he is planning now, only time will tell.
It's also rather interesting as to what will happen to those Overseers of which the creators of the species template have left (like Aeon's/Aquilo's/Irsk's/R17's Overseers) and those who never had an non-GD one in the first place (the "other works"/bestial types).
On thing though about you're message on the discord, leave out the whole, "Or ignore me like you always do" bit because that's just going to turn people off of reading. Trust me I'm studying to therapy so I have a pretty good idea about how people's minds work.
Hey guys, with the big changes I made to Vanara biology I was thinking of making the Vanara Olympians more Thousand Sons, but have them be more mystical samurai, ninja, and monks rather then sorcerers.
Very cool Gorzill. I'll have to get on Spore now that I have summer vacation and get to work.
Speaking of work, I went full Hbomberguy, and decided to visit a smarmy little Ummie named Arch and his video. . I might just make a career out of tearing right wing idiots apart on YouTube and bringing about the dawn of Cultural Marxism and Commulism.
Such a request alone is kinda out of the blue already since I normally don't go on discord, hence why I asked. An important yet sensitive topic here that's better discussed privately?
I've got absolutely no clue what that should be given my more-or-less inactivity here, but alright then. Forgive me my indulgence in approaching this matter far more cautiously than I agruably should - things around me have been rather tumultuous lately (nothing to do with the wiki, of course, but I'm still understandably stressed out by it and thus far more on edge than usual).
Then again, it just might be Crimson or Chantal so we'll see.
Fuck it. Basically, a bunch of asshats behind the Ashotai Galaxy got pissed at Techno for banning Charles, and went off to form their own wiki. They talked shit behind her back, acted surprise when she got pissed at this, and broke off fully from Sporewiki. She threw a fucking shitfit and banned Charles for 200 years, Cy went in fixed it, and I was about to join them in be part of both wikis, despite the whole shit show going on.
However, considering I'm being largely ignored and marginalized there, I don't see the fucking point. Why join two wikis and be ignored in both? Might as well minimize my marginalization anyway.
I don't know, I post something on Sporewiki, and, at best, I get two or three users say something, or the usual of everyone pretending I'm not there, while Cy or someone else can post something I get their asses thoroughly kissed. I go to Aoshtai expecting something different, expecting actual teamwork, and when I post my first creation, no one says anything and goes right along with their bullshit, like I don't even exist.
As far as I'm concerned, they're both the fucking same. Aoshtai accuses the SW admins of being elitist and out of touch, and meanwhile my creations don't even get acknowledged. They accuse Techno and the rest of being out of touch, and yet I have yet to get any feedback of any sort on my shit. Fuck both of em. I hope their shitty fan fiction website fails. I'm done with this shit.
I've poured days and hours into this writing to bring it up to par with SW and barely anyone even blinks in my direction. Why should I go to a new site and be given the same fucking treatment.
I understand, it seems as though we're all feeling emotional strain of some form or another these days. For pragmatic reasons though I would suggest finding other ways to blow steam: exercise, meditation, whatever works for you. If you need to rant though feel free to PM on the Discord about whats got you frustrated.
By the way, with the Prodikar Movement's cannon changed I was thinking they could see something of a resurgence. Instead of using rebels from our own powers though, they would use species who have become unintentionally marginalized by the larger empires (cause space and resources are limited).
Also I was thinking of reconning away the Ethereal Enlightenment and collapsing some of the EE tendencies into the new PM, such as the extreme black and white view of morality.
Except that with Oluap gone (?), there now is a huge gap on the fantasy side in this wiki (I assume so, at least). I haven't gotten into fanatsy so it doesn't affect me, but still. In either case I should get on the discord more since it seems I'm missing out.
In either case I can't say much about the Proditkar since that's Zilla's stuff.
I had the idea that they create their own races for war, similar to the Multus, but twisted into dark mirrors of our own. I was toying with the idea of the Mendel being the Protoss to another race's Zerg, but couldn't figure out how to work it in.
I do want to wait a little before I do this. With the changes to the Chozo in the latest Metroid game, I want to follow their example and use it as a guideline. Let's hope SW doesn't collapse before then.
One thing with the Koatria I was thinking instead of basing them off the Jedi, perhaps we might base them more off the Aing-Tii Monks from Star Wars Legends, seeing the nature of the universe as less black and white but instead a full color rainbow.
@Zilla - Sorry I did get back to you on the Shedim stuff, I feel asleep.
Anyway my idea goes as such: Alice and Kires were both born along side each other, Alice from the process of something coming from nothing, Lord Kires coming from the process of something returning to nothing. The two oppose one another with Alice wishing to create and preserve life, and Kires wishing to destroy it.
Anyway the big change comes in that they are somewhat Xel'naggaish. They interact with different universes for the sake of reproduction. Basically what they do is choose factions to be their champions. When said universe reaches its natural end the greatest heroes of the chosen are uplifted to become Shedim themselves and then move on to the next universe.
They tried this with the Lightling and Darkling universe (which went tits up), and they're doing it with this universe.
@All - I'm thinking of reworking the way Eori works. Instead of constantly creating new types for all our factions, we just have a set number of versatile but simple types (with different factions having preferences) and give each faction their own unique delivery method. So instead of having Pulse-type we'll have Pulse delivery method, instead of having Shredder-type we'll have Shredder delivery method, and so on.
They types I've thought up of go as such.
Basic - Just explodes.
Fire - Explodes and burns like napalm.
Electric - Explodes and shocks.
Poison - Explodes and poisons.
Ice - Explodes and Freezes
Acid - Explodes and leaves behind highly corrosive residue.
The concentration will effect the power and lethality of each type and they can be combined for unique effects.
Finally got around on merging the Vahallans into the Olympians as was agreed on ages ago (meaning the Night Bolts have now become a primary Olypian Chapter). On that note, since the Praetorian Congregation and Vahallan pages have now become obsolete and the wiki layout got changed, I guess I'll just add in the deletion template manually now?
One thing I've noticed is the units section looks really cluttered now due to the sheer number of forces. I suggest we either shrink the number of different units down or do something like what I've done for the Vanara military page.
You know guys, I've been thinking. Since I made the Khanornusi essentially space Lizardmen, I was thinking of making a group based on the Skaven to act as their greatest enemies. Not sure how to go about it.
Well technically the Rats have much more beef with the Stunties and the Southern/Eastern Realms than with the Lizards, as only the Pestilent Brotherhood finds it worthwile to invade Lustria, and only then as a matter of revenge. Then again, the Pestilent invasion of Lustria is a barely concealed nod to how the Conquisatdors conquered Latin America not with their more advanced tech but mainly with the diseases they brought along. Since the Pestilent Brotherhood is afraid of the Southlands Lizards, the latter have much more beef with the Savage and Forest Greenskins (whose fungoid castes are essentially a mockery of the Lizard's own).
Anyways, we already have the Skrud based off the Skaven/Hrud in all their backstabby glory. As such they could fulfill that role if you wish (their home galay was never specified and they could be a failed attempt by the Brotherhood to overrun Cyrannus after the Oikoumene were largely gone). After all, why make something largely the same as a thing which already exists and is readily usable?
It always struck me that the Lizards hated all the Skaven, such as Mazdamundi calling all Skaven "A cosmic mistake", and hated them for ruining their spawning pools.
I know we had the Skrud, but I wanted to kind of move away from the Brotherhood and make factions that as connected the Brotherhood-Enlightenment conflict and all. I was thinking of taking it in another direction, where's the Skrud are time-warpy skaven, I was thinking this new group could be focus more on the Skaven's Nazi/fascist themes (stormvermin, Horrific science, believing their master race, etc), and make them Mel Brooksian in tone. Maybe even have them touting Super weapons like what some of the villains are using in the SGCW, but have these Weapons self destruction due to their own incompetence.
Well they are, but then so are the Beastmen, the Greenskins and anything else not forseen by the Old Ones. Infecting spawning pools with filth is specilifally a Pestilent Brotherhood thing.
All that is also what I was going for with the Skrud though. But you make a good point - the more I think about it, the more I realise we don't need the Skrud/whatever we call them now to be connected to the Brotherhood to make them work. Heck, they might even be the result of a failed experiment themselves attributed to the Darklings in Mirus (because what isn't?), though in reality no one, not even they themselves, knows who their creator is or even where they are from. The few clans that do work with the Brotherhood (think of Crooktail and Grutnik alikes) would only do so with the intention of eventually usupring their "masters" (and the Darklings keep them around because their pitiful attemps are amusing), with most being independent, and each clan having different enemies, including of course themselves.
We could take that further, with the two races actually be from the same race at one point, but split off, those in Mirus becoming the Skrud, while those else where became what I'll call the Nezuven, and developed their own sciences, tech and feeble ways of trying to take over the galaxy.
Taking that further, the Skrud could simply be Darkling universe universe counterpart to the Nezuven (or the Nezuven could be the mirror universe counterpart to the Skrud - either works). In any case, the difference would probably account to nothing more but a matter of naming and appearance, not technology or habits, similar to how men call Ratmen the Skaven, the Dwarfs call them the Thaggoraki, the Elves call them the Hruddithi and the Lizardmen call them the Khanx, but they are the same thing in the end.
Reading your Sorcerers of Rathan actually inspired me to do my own Mirror universe variant of the Raptoraneans, based upon a mix between the Druchii, Asrai and Asur (but mainly the Khainite Temple and Dark Convent). The main difference being that, aside from being evil, they massacred the nascent Waptoria upon meeting them, rather than joining them.
Okay so I have my map out for revamped Vanara history.
1. The old Vanara Empire was destroyed by the Scelus causing the Vanara to enter diaspora as nomadic tribes.
2. These seven tribes would scatter across Mirus where they would gain infamy as raiders, pirates, and plunders. Basically they became the wandering barbarians of Mirus.
3. One the of these tribes, the Wyvern Tribe, would become slaves to the Dominatus. After escaping from that slavery the Wyvern Tribe would meet up with the Enlightenment Alliance and help and the rest of ADC take out the Dommies.
4. The Wyvern Tribe does not officially join the Enlightenment Alliance since that could place them at odds with the rest of the tribes, but does help them out from time to time. The Wyvern Tribe start picking up other nomadic races that have lost their homes and adding them to their ranks, while Zuki sets her sights on reuniting the tribes and restoring the Vanara Empire.
5. The Wars of the Mirusian Coalition happen, and while the Wyvern Tribe does not formally engage the Xonexi they do raid, pillage, and plunder alongside some of the other tribes.
6. The Covenant of Mirus forms and Zuki uses the Elderasian's hostility towards Mirusians and the fact that the Eldarisian have the more powerful French allies to create an imaginary threat as part of a rallying cry for the tribe's reunification.
7. The Second Great Cyrannus War happens and Zuki pulls a just as planned!, using the very real threat the GCW to turn Vanara hostilities from the Xonexi and finally reunite the tribes.
8. During the war against Qliphoggr Zuki claims the mantel of Queen of Air and Darkness and purifies her sister Auvia of the light corruption. Auvia claims the mantel of Queen of Light and Life and the two sisters become the new Double Headed Dragon of the reunited Vanara.
9. The Vanara reclaim their old homeland and their portion of the form DT territories through a combination of force and diplomacy. They stick to their nomadic ways (having become more adapted for it) while ruling over their empire in a much more benevolent fashion the Old Vanara Empire.
And that's what I have, any thoughts, suggestions, ideas?
I guess not. The Claim of Thorns happens before the Mendel Schism, after all. The only thing that has changed is that the Raptoraneans do no longer wait for Marinus' Rebellion to fail to proclaim their idependence (thus triggering the Queen of Thorns' Citadel of Sapients attack), rather the animosity happens as a direct result of the Waptorian and Eldarisian governments making peace. That way I can have the Waptoria and the newly independent Raptoranean Matriarchy in a state of cold war during the Rebellion and perhaps even the Schism.
At the end of the Claim of Thorns, the Citadel of Sapients gets destroyed, the Queen of Thorns is in control of the Matriarchy, and with Raptoranean personnel and materiel depleted, is rightfully afraid that the Waps will simple re-conquer the Matriarchy since her position is shaky at best. Hence she retorts to the shrewdness that she is known for and asks France to negotiate a peace deal before that can happen. The Matriarch this becomes an officially independent state and something of an unofficial French protectorate. The Queen makes it seem so that she has prevented a Waptorian invasion and thus cements her position amongst her people.
When France becomes more inactive though, the Queen realises that soon they might become a slumbering giant rather than an active superpower and thus intervenes with the Viterva Khmara on the side of the Waptoria during the Therazine/Stonespawn/Vermillion Remnant's attack on the Waptoria, beating the attackers back to the Red Veil where they join with the Zarbanian old guard to form the Empire of Claws. This brings her in line with the Waptoria again and she makes the Matriarchy one of their official protectorates so that the Raptoraneans can be re-united with their traditional allies.
Ah okay, considering the Vanara's position at that time the Wyvern Tribe at first actually support the Raptoraneans at first until the Citadel attacks at which point they'll become something of a third party.
The Wyvern Tribe has found itself cringing at the Waps making peace with the Eldarisian since the Wyverns can now no longer keep up their friendship with the Waps since that would drive a wedge between them and the other tribes, and thus the other tribes are now free to raid the Waps.
@All I had an idea on an alternate way we could handle Koatria elements. Instead of just creating a bunch of new elements, we could instead have each faction have their own system of six elements, with Koatria from those factions have elements from their respective faction's elemental system.
For example the Mendel elemental system could be the classical of fire, water, earth, ice, wind, and stone, and thus Mendel koatria would have access to those elements. Whereas Vanara koatria would have access to elements of fire, ice, wind, thunder, water, and dragon (nuclear).
We could also have Koatria wielding elements created by fusions between their primary elements and light, dark, and the forbidden elements would be universal.
Regardless one thing I think we need to do is narrow down the number of Koatria types, I think we have a few too many. I purpose having something fairly basic. The Squad Lead, the Tactical Officer, a Melee Combatant, a Spellcaster, Ranged Combatant, and a Gadgeteer. Very basic stuff that can be easily customized to each Koatria Team's fighting style and motifs.
Oh yeah definitely, for example the melee specialist could just as easily be an elegant fencer or warhammer wielding juggernaut. What you choose being very open so as to fit with the team's particular style of combat and motifs.
Actually now that I think about it perhaps we could combine Destiny's classes with Exalted's. Creating a leader (squad lead and tactical officer) fighter(Sentinel), mage(Sage), thief(Assassin), and diplomat(Bard) dynamic for the classes instead.
@Eco - About the Twilight Element, I basically created that one with the idea in mind that Tselaya would be the first one to have that element. Kinda like how Takanius is the koatria of Light. It's kinda of important for my fiction.
I've been planning to sort out the Marinus' Rebellion page for a while now, but I've been delayed a lot by other things I either had to or really wanted to get done both on and off the wiki, and I suspect it'll still be some time until I can get round to it. As such, I'd like to clarify how things ended - I don't know how much you were aware about what happened.
The treaty between the Talva and Four-Power alliance involved significant (but temporary) restrictions on the Talven military, along with a democratization effort overseen by the FPA. In return, the Talva were granted full membership in the Xonexi Board of Seven.
Balbus intended that the Talva would represent those such as the Mirusian Triumvirate that were unhappy with the Xonexian status quo, allowing them to use the Talven veto on the Board's decisions. In order to ensure that the Talva would not become part the threat he had hoped to deal with, he also organised extensive regulations within the Talven Empire to limit what they could do as a part of the Board.
Balbus didn't believe that this would reliably and permanently solve the problem, and set some other things in motion to take advantage of this situation, but that probably won't be relavent for some time, and almost certainly after he himself is dead.
I can answer any specific questions you have before the Marinus' Rebellion page is finished.
I'm sorry for how long it's taken me to tell you all of this.
@Treebeard - Sorry for the really late response. As of the onset of the Second Great Cyrannus War the Vanara having been cooling off with their hostility towards France (a big part of Zuki's "just as planned" a maneuver), but still share worries about the Xonexi Allies and their seeming monopoly on control of galactic politics so they'll support Bulbus' plan.
With Charles and most of the other Xonexi users having left the wiki the Xonexi are kinda just sitting there and I'm not sure what to be done. As far as I known Charles never said what should be done with France or handed it off to anyone.
It'll probably be a few decades at least before Balbus' plans have much of an affect on the other Xonexian powers, and I don't mind leaving it in the distant future, so that's not so much of a problem for me. If there's anything I could do to help with your own plans - with the Talva taking France's place (after 2818) - I'd be happy to do so.
I do have a potential in universe explanation for France's decline in prevalence. It was something me a Para came up with a long time ago. Synchronic targeting systems. Point defense systems with synchronic targeting could reliably take out angelfire reliably enough that hyperspatial missiles would become impractical.
The modernised Talven Navy being rendered obsolete could actually work really well in my own plans. Do you have an idea of who would develop this technology? Several Talven merchant guilds would want to participate in and support their research if they knew about it, and might plausibly be working on the technology independently if no-one else is.
The Vanara most likely. As a species that have the unique ability to think synchronicly so they would understand how to put the concept into practice. And they have reason to want to. That and having united as well as Triumvirate backing they also have the networking and resources to do so.
Is there anything that the Talven merchant guilds would be able to help them with? They'd certainly be able to provide additional resources and funding, as well as Talven-built hyperspatial missiles, if the Vanara don't produce any themselves.
@All - The basic reason for doing this would be to preserve a genetic record in case the homeworld of the species ever went bye bye, though these species are simply too dangerous and powerful to keep more then one at a time in highly specialized holding. Also to have the DNA of some of the most dangerous beasts in mirus in case they needed to engineer something to counteract potential incursions Demogorgon Prime life into other biospheres.
@Eco - also your idea about the Labyrinths sounds great.
So what timeframe do you think I should put the Lsjanpodos colonising Mirus? I want a timeframe that's compatible with Mirus' history and one before 2798. FYI the Lsjanpodos is an extragalactic civilisation.
Probably before 2792, when the Dominatus Wars start and the galaxy wouldn't exactly be a nice place to colonise. I would say the period in between 2762 (Return of THEM) and 2789 (the Great Deceiver) is your best bet - the Galaxy was peaceful and relatively stable then, with the eyes of it's mayor inhabitants focussed abroad.
For reference, the Enlightenment War would probably starts in 1750 and ends in 2756, before which the only mayor player in the galaxy was the United Lanat Empire. The Mendel, Waptoria ect did exist but were minor powers who hadn't pooled together their bargaining rights yet. If the Lsjanpodos happened to colonise Mirus by then, their colonies would likely be located in the eastern sphere to explain the lack of contact between them and the other Mirusian powers, since western and eastern Mirus were divided by the ULE and both halves were relative unknowns to each other.
@All - I need your guys help with a concept I've had in my head for a bit. I was looking at some of Cyrannian's creations, and saw the complaints from Erissacre of the lack of all male species. I thought of doing an over the top, metrosexual parody of the Pillar Men, in space, but I am aware that you guys already created the Mosquittl and Eitren for a similar purpose, so I'm left uncertain about what to do with it.
I kind of want to do this as a joke race, but I don't want to basically copy what has already been done.
bois imma be down n dirty with you I wanna start increasing my activity in Mirus, and right now I'm looking at interaction between the Dynastic Systems of Sal'ir and powers like the UAE members, Zarbania, etc etc So mind if I pop into discussions here every once in awhile?
I would also like to make more interactions with Mirusian powers. I am already in the process of completing a collaboration with Koala about a Lsjanpodosi-Koalian alliance. Interaction with Mirusian powers I want to do include participation in Attero Dominatus, other Mirusian wars, as well as interactions with the DSSS, Eovinjai Sovereignty, the Sacred Vanara Empire, Waptoria, UAE, Hegemony of Astrath, Infernal Republic and so on.
I feel like I might have unknowingly ripped off Cyrannian's stuff with the Lsjanpodos but eh. Just read it yourself and you can judge. I had Cyrannian read it once a long time ago and he didn't seem to notice anything. I'm not sure if the Lsjanpodos can be considered a ripoff or not. I know though for a fact that I'm going to get ripped off some day.
So right now I have the Zalax having some territory in the Dimstar Outbacks region of Mirus, about 100,000+ years ago. If the Multus Esse and other modern powers existed back then, what do you guys think would have been the interaction between the Zalax and the Mirusian natives? I'm hoping to have some ancient Eupherion interaction with the wider Gigaquadrant, and give a sense of derelict/decaying/fading memory of ancient Zalax legacies and memories being left in the Milky Way and Mirus.
Also about the Nyarqaeshu, and how the Zalax could have avoided or gotten caught in-between the galactic war between the Nyarqaeshu and Multus Esse, and otherwise their interaction with the Nyaqaeshu as well.
By the way I'm going to be redesigning my fiction to fit around different gothic horror and kaiju tropes.
Vanara - Frankenstein's Monster and radioactive mutants.
Scelus - Vampires a extraterrestrial invader monsters.
Claxe - Mummies and robot monsters.
New Faction - Werewolves and guardian monsters
Also I'm going to rework the Claxe into being my mirror universe fiction. Basically a United Persan Descendants that turned themselves into robots to escape the Xeranbha. Also I'm not going to make them evil necessarily, rather hyper-materialistic and operating on extreme pragmatism.
Favourable relations I presume. I figured the Lsjanpodos might have some trade routes with the Waptoria, not just because the Lsjanpodos is like that but also because they might be interested in the technology the Waptoria has. Waptorian biotics might be of interest to the Lsjanpodos due to how flexible it is. I also think some cultural exchange would be a thing since they seem to have similarities and also because both like integrating cultures and aliens. Open borders might also be a thing.
Hey Gorzill, hey Zilla, hey Eco. This is Crimson. God, I hated that username. I wanted to change it, never did. Should've.
It's been about a year, but I was on the site grabbing some of my old fiction and decided to say what needs saying.
This might be a bit long, so I'll preface it by saying this. I'm not interested in returning, I'll get that out of the way right now. That would be contradictory to the reason I'm writing this. I want to clear the air, so I can look back on the time I spent on this site as a good experience. I did have quite a lot of fun here, and I'm tired of that being marred by a few mistakes.
I suppose you might've wondered why I rather lost my mind towards the end there. There are reasons, but I don't think they really matter. I'll state some of them anyway, but I offer no excuses for the inexcusable, only explanations.
I've always had trouble with mental illness, which includes aggressiveness, lack of empathy for others, propensity for arguing and a total lack of any kind of verbal filter. Sound familiar? Its not usually bad to the extent it was last year, but at the time, I'd just quit school, and gone from daily interaction with others to having hardly any social contact at all. It was very jarring, and compounded by other things, resulted in what you guys witnessed. Like I said, its not an excuse for the way I treated you all, its just an explanation.
On top of that, certain politics became all I'd hear about on TV, the internet, in what little conversation I did have, day after day. I'm not really a Hitler-loving fascist; yes, I've studied them extensively, but out of morbid curiosity and the strange way my brain finds things fascinating. It'd take a wall of text twice this size to explain anything about how my brain works. Anyway, my hatred of the rising alt-right politics brewed nicely in my brain, and I needed to scream, and rant and rave. Claiming allegiance to such an ideology was how I tried coping. Kind of ironic, I know, given the flags many alt-righters like to wave. My reasonings, and justifications, they're not something I'm interested in writing and I'm sure you're not interested in hearing.
Again, not an excuse. Though I do hope you can see my offensive rants as products of frustration and other things, rather than me just being a bad person, or a... what do the internet people call them alt-right trolls? Edge-lords?
In any case, if I recall I was ready to leave around the time Gorzill and I had our falling out anyway. I think at the time I was telling myself that you guys didn't like my fiction anyway, and didn't want my participation. That might've been the case at the end due to my writing becoming increasingly nonsensical. I think part of me always felt like an outsider with you guys, and that my fiction didn't fit with yours, but I think I know why.
I didn't join the wiki because I had my own Spore ideas I wanted to publish. I joined because for the past year before I joined, I'd been reading your fiction extensively. It was my favorite of the Spore material I had read. I'm not sure why exactly I joined in the first place. I do remember I created nothing for the first few weeks, and then only small things to add onto your fiction. Like those Nexus Heads. I guess you could say I viewed your fiction like Frank Herbert's Dune, and didn't want to become Brian by adding a bunch of second-rate ideas to it. But hey, what was i gonna do? Hang around the threads like a bat and parrot "helpful" ideas?
Looking back, I was always a little resentful of my own additions to the fiction. I blame the tangents I'd go on with some of my characters as the cause of death for the Mirusian Conflicts. Almost all of my starting characters were individuals of species you guys had created, too. Because, at the time, I thought adding my own would've made me "Brian"!
So there you have it. I was never trying to steal or take over your fictions. I'm not even sure how someone would actually go about doing that. I used your stuff at first because I didn't want to damage the integrity of your fiction, and later because, and I'm not sure how well to put this into words, I guess I didn't see our fictions as being exclusive; I figured the best stories could be made from a shared collective of ideas, that any one of us could've and should've mixed and matched ideas to make the best stories. I'm not sure that's how collaboratives are supposed to work, but oh well. Truth be told, I wouldnt've minded if you guys had used my creations as liberally as I used yours. There might've been a few times when someone did, and I got irritated, and while I don't know the specifics, you might chalk it up to sheer hypocrisy. In general, though, none of you engaged with my fiction to the extend I did with yours (and that might've been a good thing!), and that made me feel a bit rejected. Whether that makes any sense, I'll leave for you to decide.
Now that I can sit back and think about my contributions, I think my work was definitely not as good as I thought it was. I'm very good at coming up with ideas, but putting them down in writing? Not so much. No matter how much detail I throw into something, I can never seem to flesh it out into more than a few skimpy paragraphs. I have the same trouble with book writing. I think my inability to flesh things out led to the degradation of my fiction. Especially Fenric Vermillion. He was supposed to be as good of a character as Glacier was. Yeah, right. I'm not sure what led to his total failure as a character, but I think the most likely explanation is I hardly wrote any actual stories about him, only descriptions, and that made him seem two dimensional and poorly developed.
On the subject of Fenric: I never should have had him conquer Ugandalore. That was, I'm almost certain of, is what killed my Spore contribution. What a stupid, nonsensical plot that was. Doing it over again, I'd have had him go straight to the northern part with the clans and had him do some kind of low-level insurgency. That would've made much more sense, and made a much better story. Or, I could've just not killed off Glacier. That might've been my ultimate mistake. But then again, Glacier'd become a good guy. His story was all but ended.
Anyway, yeah, I hated Fenric, but I wanted to make his story work, so I kept reaching. That's why he got as bad an end as Glacier. If anyone's curious, the ending I would've went with would be having him freeze to death in the blizzard as planned, but then being forced to repeat his entire doomed quest for power from the beginning (because of that crow-staff curse), having his memories intact, but being forced to fail no matter what for all eternity. That was the only good ending for him once I'd ruined his character.
Now Durrandon, he was my last gasp. I honestly think that, if I'd taken my vacation two months earlier than I did (and thus avoiding the fight with Gorzill), I could've come back refreshed and made Durrandon the best character I'd ever conceived. I don't think anything I wrote about him ruined him; I quit before I could flesh him out. I think you guys would've liked where he was going.
In light of the fact that I frequently took inspiration from real people and countries in history, I've been thinking of taking some of my fiction and combining it with other ideas, and writing a series of alternate history novels set in the early 1900s, with my characters as humans leading real or semi-real countries. It might come to something if I'm inspired enough to focus on it. That's really what it takes for me to write well is focus.
In conclusion, all I ask is that we declare our confrontations as water under the bridge, and that we part as good friends who worked together on some good stories. Things were said that should not have been, but that's in the past, and the past shouldn't haunt you. I still harbor some anger over how we parted, but I'd like to kill that hear and now, and that's why Im writing this. I will hold no more anger towards you for anything said, nor to the admins for banning me. I hope you all will do the same. I'm not Spartan or that other guy, Thunderbird. I'm not a troll.
I'll probably visit the site from time to time to collect pieces of my fiction, so if anyone wants to reply to this I'll see it. I'll probably read some of your fiction, and enjoy it like I did before I joined the wiki. It was a fun four years I had with you guys. Pity it ended the way it did, but that's life. So here's to you guys, and Glynn and Cyrannian too. May you have long and meaningful lives. Crimson out.
...To send off to Mirus. I plan to have the Edict send an ark fleet to colonize Mirus.
I don’t have much of an idea for what they’re gonna do there yet. Problem is, as per my writing skills >_<, the Edict runs on a conundrum of having a shallow knowledge of other empires and how exactly they can get involved.
Seeing how you’re a player in Mirus, I want to ask how or where I can tag along, or if I should be asking this somewhere else :|
So I've got a raw storyline for this guy and the Lord of the Isles. They band together with eight other groups of pirates, exiles, and mercenaries to carve out new lands and territories for themselves, starting with the Mendel and Gorzill's empire if that's OK. Naturally they'll be defeated, but I imagine they'll be reusable for multiple stories.
Are we talking Al-mi'raj or Viracholt? Neither ones have warships for him to get his hands on. Al-mi'raj have giant fire breathing dragon, tiger, sea turtle hybrids that act as living ships, the Al-mi'raj are able to command them because of their natural affinity for magic. The Viracholt use sea serpent shaped golems made of coral.
On the other hand the Al-mi'raj know how to make fantasy Damascus Steel.
Jezirat al-Tennyn is very rich in exceptional pure iron ore, which is one of the reasons the Al-mi'raj have such great steel tools and weapons. Also meteoric iron which they use to forge weapons for fighting the Necrelus, who explode when stabbed or cut by steel made of meteoric iron.
Great. Most of my fiction will be located above the Polar Lands, but I see there is a bay on the western edge of the Polar Lands that touches a tiny sliver of the Western Forests. That's where the Lord of the Isles is based, and that's where his invasion will come from.
@Frimson: He isn't. The Serplundi are the fantasy Dragowar. They're more warmongerish pirates that rely on dark magic to keep their gigantic sea-castles afloat than anything else.
Fernia is part of the Western Forests, touching the tropical lands. I don't know where/if the Mendel will be relocated or anything, but the Paradis Tekuiate is situated the the south-easternmost part of the Sunset Isles, with the domain of the Serplundi (and I assume the Togunda) stretching out beyond that.
@Eco The Serplundi sound pretty cool. They should make a fine addition to the story.
I did have a suggestion for you. Earlier you mentioned making the Fantasy Caligustus more hammy. Perhaps instead you could make him the opposite of what he was in the Fictionverse? Reserved, calm, calculating, and cold, but still of course with a fiery temper. Just a thought.
That's actually a side Caligustus developped post Attero Dominatus. Fanatsygustus is no threat in and off himself, and his antics are mainly for fun. Notably, he's not gonna roar all the time (something which Caligustus still had to do in public to command the respect of his legions due to Dragowar culture), but he'll instead put added emphasis on (sometimes strange) parts of his sentences. He's a lot less intelligent, too.
So you'd get:
ARRR that is not GONNA HAPPEN! <Advances alone without checking if his fleet is folllowing him, thus potentially getting himself in trouble while calling his attacks and mocking his foes, but not really losing his temper when he loses and instead making a boast about how he'll be back/he didn't really lose due to some bs reason>
NO! THAT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN! <summons a legion to block off chokepoints and jumps into the fray himself once his foes are trapped, trying to break their spirits by rubbing it in their faces, only getting angry when he starts losing or is insulted/mocked>
Serplundi are gaint sea snake Lesser Kelodhros (with dragon-like wings serving as flippers). Like Dragowar, they turn from Chromatic to Metallic to Crystalline as they age, though also like Dragowar, there are no surviving Crystalline Serplundi alive in the modern age.
Paradisians are Avian Theriocephali, by the way.
The origin of Caligustus name were, obviously, Roman emperors, so I'll probably go for an anagram of various famous pirates.
Okay, cause I was thinking that if they are Lesser Kelodhros then perhaps they and the Al-mi'raj have some common origin. What it was probably wouldn't be very clear other then an obscure myth other that notes one group favoring the land and sky, and another favoring the sea.
Shout him in the mouth, also pretty sure that's just Fantasygustus not the whole Serplundi.
Eh, muskets aren't really that great, bows are the superior weapon. Muskets may have been more advanced technology wise, but they were slower to reload and less accurate then a bow. The reason they replaced bows was because it was easier to train large numbers of soldiers to use them. Effective use of a bow required more intensive training. So honestly I don't their inclusion really makes your guys OP in anyway.
Only one or two Rogues Gallery units have muskets. The vast majority use bows, crossbows, or melee weapons. I was only concerned because the rules for the fantasyverse say not to use too much black powder, and the Rogues already use lots of cannons on their ships. But hey, that's the kind of tech they had back then anyway.
Huh. Rogues Gallery. Looks like that's become the official name of the group.
Yeah, that's just Fanatsygustus cus' he's a Metallic. Most if not almost all Serplundi are mere Chromatics, and though they have placoderm-like armor around their heads/jaws, the scales found on the rest of their bodies are pretty crocodile-like, and just as strong/weak as those.
As a rule of thumb, arrows work well against Chromatic Serplundi (pierces their scales), magic works well against Metallic Serplundi (bypasses their armor), and artillery works well against Crystalline Serplundi (who have become magically resistent but no longer can withstand blunt attacks all that well). Since Serplundi mainly rely on blunt attacks and like to fight amongst themselves, that's probably why there are no longer any Crystallines around...
@Eco - For the three types of dragon that live with the Al-mi'raj I was planning on each one having different skin types that are admittedly similar to Serplundi. Non-sentient, common Gila Dragons have skin made of stone beads. Sentient, but rarer Gunstar Dragons have metal skin. Finally sentient, highly magical, extremely rare Duskwing Dragons have molten glass skin. I actually got the inspiration for this from the Dragons of Dark Souls which have stone scales, and I wanted to run this by it make sure you didn't feel as though I was ripping you off.
I figured that out already, though he won't be selling them anything. Nope. Not a single piece of rotten driftwood. Geldscale (fantasygustus) is that greedy.
He will help them militarily though. Since the Lord of Isles hides in the northern part of the western forest, and Geldscale raids west of the Sunset Isles, there's enough space between them for their raiding territories not to overlap.
I hope you don't think the Serplundi are OP or anything?
Alo, I'm working on the concept of a really trollish troll. I'm calling him...Trollfaic.
@Eco - I don't think he's overpowered, I think the Serplundi are pretty cool actually. They just don't fit the greater theme of the Rogues Gallery, since they are mostly people (some are pretty damn ugly people, though). I'm fine with military assistance though.
@Both - Yes, the hats and beards. Both took quite some time to get right. I'm just starting to get the hang of making humanoids.