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Since this is a shared, collaborative page, feel free to add new spaceships, more members, or fill in more details. WormulWormulon Talk to me 15:36, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

Races Edit

On their economy, would it make more sense for them to be truly post-scarcity now? After all, they should have quantum replicators available from the SSA, and they shouldn't have been too far behind civilisations such as the DCP even before then. For member races, we should think of what sorts Humanity might have:

  • Firstly, the races are from at least two main areas: Republic space (around Sol) and Coalition space (on the other side of the galaxy).
  • Secondly, many races may have been subject to genetic engineering to make them more like a certain ideal. Different nations would have had different ideas as to what makes up "improvement", though. To use Star Trek races as an example (which appear to be one of the main inspirations for all this), Vulcans and Romulans would have both focused on cognitive abilities, with the former going for rationality and the latter going for more deceptive political abilities. Then Klingons would be more focused on physical abilities, etc, etc.
  • Then there could be a few groups that are more adapted towards certain environmental conditions, such as underwater or in alien climates, in high-gravity or in microgravity.
  • Finally, reasons based more on culture and individuals' attitudes could result in an even greater variety. Obviously, there may be some aspects of this in the races mentioned in the second bullet point, but there can be more extreme examples: There could be entire races that have modified themselves to look like humanoid animals, or even more creative designs.
  • Then there may be a few races left over from earlier times, either "obsolete" (i.e. the problems they were made to solve no longer exist), experiments by (either sane or mad) scientists, or rogue groups who left the main part of civilisation and started out completely afresh. These could have any of the aspects already mentioned, and many more.

GirdoPic Ghelae - (talk) 16:18, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

See Liquid Ink's Lequian subspecies for ideas. Although, given how vague I worded some of the things above, most species in the SporeWikiverse could fit as Human-derived races... it would explain why humanoids seem to be so common, though. GirdoPic Ghelae - (talk) 18:09, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

This is an interesting way to classify the offshoots. So...

  • Genetically engineered races: Jaffa, Na'Vi, Vulcans/Romulans (copper based blood must be artificial), Breen, Andorians, Minbari, Sontarans, Vermulans (not members but maybe useful to mention)
    • Rianths: Races which have non-human features (rubber forehead aliens like Klingons, Gorn/Saurians, Narn/Cardassians - maybe the same IDK, Judoon, Dogpeople - hehe I want to make them, Felinoids).
  • Offshoots adapted to environment: Greys?, Ferengi, Centuari, Ashtar, Terditlians (not members but maybe useful to mention), Quadrantia humans, Tollans

I also think we should be quite subtle when addressing names as we did before maybe, classifying especially fanfic into groups and using actual names sparingly. So first bullet point being GER-humans, Rianths and Offshoots --WormulWormulon Talk to me 00:42, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

I think you're right with the GER-humans, but remember that in many cases the ones who have been adapted to their environments were modified themselves in order to do so ("Tweaks", in Orion's Arm terminology). Out of the ones you mentioned, these would definitely include the Na'vi (lower gravity, toxic atmosphere) and Breen (maybe cold climate; there's probably some different environmental conditions anyway).
For the "Rianths", that term technically only refers to those who look more animalian, which would probably exclude the Klingons and maybe the Cardassians. The Narn would most likely fit, and all of the others definitely would.
And the other offshoots: I'm not sure how any of them really fit as adaptations to other environments, except perhaps the Greys and the SporeWikiverse races.
Also, there's still the possibility of classifying them based on their original home location (this would probably be a superset to the other categories) - thinking about it, not only are there the Republic and Coalition spaces, but the Quadrantia humanoids show that Humanity somehow managed to spread to other galaxies, too.
GirdoPic Ghelae - (talk) 08:12, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, here's a basic initial idea for a classification:

  • Archaeohumans (not descended from Homo sapiens sapiens) - e.g. Thals, Daleks, Greys (?)
  • Republic Space Humans (originated around Milky Way Sector S5)
    • General near-Humans ("GER-Humans") - e.g. "pure" Humans, Goa'uld slaves, militaristic Romulan/Klingon-like species (appeared in "Truly Alien")
    • Highly cosmetically-altered near-Humans ("Rianths") - e.g. Saurians, Cynocephali, Felinoids
    • Environmentally-adapted near-Humans ("Tweaks") - e.g. Na'vi
  • Coalition Space Humans (originated around Milky Way Sector NC4)
    • "GER-Humans" - would include most "Delta Quadrant" species
    • "Rianths" - would include Hirogen, Hierarchy, etc
  • Extragalactic Humans (originated outside the Milky Way) - e.g. Quadrant 21 near-Humans, "Galactic Empire" (?)

GirdoPic Ghelae - (talk) 17:19, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Reasonable choices. The idea of Greys being Archaeohumans conforms with certain Ancient Alien ideas with previous advanced civilizations leaving Earth and then evolving again. Now more detail on the origins of each could be discussed.
  • Millions of years prior: Alteran/Ancient Humanoid/Preserver genes find their way on Earth. Humans naturally evolve but with the genes to make them similar is design. Perhaps the Time Lords could also be some Alteran race to explain similarity. Other genes could have landed on non-human worlds like Grimbolsaurians (while still being unrelated).
  • Perhaps the Greys made it to space on their own. Maybe, they became the younger of the First One races and would became known as the Asgard later on :P. I envision that these are Alphan Civilization, Nordics, Ashtar whatever.
  • Greys transport the Archaeohumans off Earth during the Thal-Human wars in the Ice Age.
  • Xhodocto awaken and create the Kei'Un bloodhunters.
  • Goa'uld and Founders shortly later find a planet full of potential hosts/slaves. Create the general Near-humans, and some others rise up and defeat them (e.g. Alpha Quadrant races), and maybe a few become subspecies overtime.
  • Asgard/Greys see this and transport humans to the Delta Quadrant and other galaxies. Not all were adapting well, so bacame Rianths and Tweaks (Vulcans, Na'Vi, Vermulans).
  • Krassio and First Ones find out Earth is a metaphorical center and give it zoo planet status, allowing it to evolve on its pace.
  • Terran humans make it to space and defeat the oppressive aliens, unite humanity etc.
  • All become Posthuman one day in the Technoosphere becoming once species again.

--WormulWormulon Talk to me 18:38, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

  • Remember that we don't have to have exactly the same history as the sci-fi fictions (or we could even just say that the sci-fi races were lying in order to achieve their aims). The Greys could even be many of the First Ones (or, more accurately, the "Greys" are one group descended from a singular race that later became the "First Ones"), diversifying over thousands of years much like later Humans did. The more insect-like First Ones could have been the Greys' creations, or another race that was uplifted by them, or something else along those lines.
  • The Greys could be a candidate for transplanting the Thals, yes.
  • Perhaps the Goa'uld symbiotes were another creation of the Greys that went rogue, explaining why they targeted the closely-related Humans. As for the Dominion, they could have arrived later, or even picked up spacefaring Humans who were travelling elsewhere in the galaxy.
  • The spread of Humans across the universe is another issue. They could have been transplanted; perhaps they even ended up where they did by travelling through wormholes. A similar explanation could apply to Maxis-made creatures which have been used by multiple users.
  • Most of the rest seems to be fine. GirdoPic Ghelae - (talk) 18:51, August 2, 2011 (UTC)
True.
  • It would also explain more easily how the Goa'uld left their homeworld.
  • I do imagine that some early societies might have learned how to use the stargates even not understandng what they were exactly. And yes it could also explain the spread of Maxis empires.
--WormulWormulon Talk to me 10:20, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
So, I think that's most of the basics behind this all sorted out now. GirdoPic Ghelae - (talk) 10:24, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
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