Thread:The Clanden/@comment-1370845-20140816003206/@comment-1370845-20140816023710

My tone towards you was an abrasive tone, I agree. That is not a tone I am going to continue in this response. Firstly, thank you for the reply, though it was a wall of text, you got it off your chest, you expressed it in a well written format, and you did so publicly, and it is for that reason that I asked your post be on the wiki, and not privately in the IRC. Secondly, I want to make it very clear that I have no problem with you, I don't even have a problem with the other users who, as I have been told, you have asked not to appear as though they are ganging up on anyone. Thirdly, I want to make it clear that my problem is with the attitude that you (as it seems, unintentionally) have promoted.

The problem that I am trying to address is that a large number of users find you disruptive. And as it appears, it is not even your fault. Based on your reply here, I have further evidence to support the fact that it has nothing to do with you. Alright, now I've made it clear that it's not your fault, I'm going to make it clear that the attitude you have unintentionally promoted has been one of a dissident, and many users have had a problem with that. It's for that reason I had to make it clear here that I'm not going to support a wiki with such an attitude.

Your reply has shed light on your side of the story. This is a good thing. And you've done much more to defend yourself here than any of you did on the IRC, in my opinion. But the fact of the matter is I have no problem with your intent, your intent was harmless, it's the consequences of your intent. You've told me that it is not your fault and you have done nothing wrong. But the fact is, whether you meant to do anything wrong or not, whether you meant to hurt anyone, you have done so. If someone feels bullied, it doesn't matter who's done the bullying or why, it matters that there have been consequences.

Now to address your point about this warning being a shock. I was aware that when I made this warning I would inevitably induce a feeling of fear and mistrust, and make me appear biased. I was also aware that your friends would undoubtedly feel threatened, and that you personally, would feel more threatened than any of the others. So I have anticipated the response. But I'm, again, not doing this for me, I'm doing this because I wanted to make my stance clear. If that involved an induction of fear, then to be blunt, I was trying to achieve that. I had fully intended to make it clear that I have low tolerance. However, I did not want to block you immediately. I do not want to block anyone, in fact. My reason, other than that I wanted to make it clear that there would be consequences, was also that I was left in a tricky situation. If I leave things alone, then nothing may change, and that may make things worse. If I warn you, then it may seem threatening and make things worse. The reason I chose the latter is that if both are unhelpful, the latter gives a concrete stance, the former does nothing.

This warning will probably not even last long. Monet's did not last long as 2 months either. But I've made it clear where I stand. And I don't stand on either side, I stand on the side of someone who will take no more of this. For the record, if people attack you, if I receive complaints suggesting the contrary (that user x has persecuted you), then I will take swift action in that direction.

So, if you want evidence that you are a dissident, then I have little for you. This is because I, again, am not the one with the problems with your attitude. I have recieved multiple complaints from several people, whom I shall not mention as they spoke to my privately, that they have a problem with "Angrybirds and his posse", and I have been asked numerous times to take action against you. I have, until today, refrained from doing that, out of respect.

When I gave you the warning, I gave it with the message "not listening". This is because the main complaint pattern appears to be that your behaviour has been rebellious and unhelpful towards members of staff. For instance, the issue discussed. You had a right to your opinion, your opinion that you did nothing wrong with that UDB post. And you have (very well, I must say) expressed why. But you also ignored the request of a member of staff. Now, I'm not saying you should just blindly accept our every word, I'm saying you should listen to us with the thought in mind that we have done a lot for this wiki. Not to gloat, but the current userbase who have made the most contributions to this website, be it hte templates, the community updates, the mainspace, and generally keeping it all together, are all the members of staff. So I do think you should respect the opinion of a member of staff.

I hope, once again, that I've not come across as abrasive. And if you have a problem with anything I say, I will not bite you. Sorry for any trouble this has caused, and thank you so much for your understanding.