Board Thread:Wiki Discussion/@comment-1309126-20160214210140

''Disclaimer: I'm pointing out users here. Because everyone needs to pull their shit together.''

Jesus Christ, people. I thought I had my fair share of moments but that's a new one.

Right, obviously users are having a differing opinion on how admins work. Well, everyone. Let me tell you how admins work. Admins are NOT authority. That's the bottom line. They can remove users from the wiki for misconduct, though remember, that's solely on wiki basis. The responsibility of one's actions is dependent upon both users and admins. Admins aren't expected to babysit users, and users shouldn't be expected to take shit from an admin. Personally, I don't care if you've been here five minutes or five years. You're either a user or an admin but you all work on the same damn wiki.

Of course I'm referring to a lot of stuff revolving around Oluap. Now as well as Oluap and I get on, on a personal level, I'm finding myself somewhat irritated that Oluap is having to take time out because of a lack of willingness to communicate with others. Keep in mind that I have absolutely nothing subjectively against Oluap, but telling users to 'fuck off' is not acceptable. I'm guilty of doing it in the past and thankfully I take a far more relaxed stance now, though that kind of language is not acceptable for either an admin or a user. As a wiki, we're expected to treat everyone equally regardless of whether we've been here longer or not. Now to balance this out, 20100vincent responded in an equal manner. Also not acceptable. If a user or an admin starts up, take the higher ground and don't fuel the fire.

It also bothers me that users are very quick to differ on opinion about how an admin works - mainly a discussion between Hachiman and DrodoEmpire, and I found myself, despite the fact that Drodo and I have not always got on in the past, to be on his side rather than Hachiman's, who I have been wiki-friends with for nearly six years. As I said; as much as I like both of them, I just find the concept of admins exercising some power or authority in the sense that Hachi worded it to be completely against the way of what we're doing. Admins are there to remove the real issues on the wiki, such as vandals and users causing a massive problem. Keeping users in line with the fear of being banned is all in all a perfectly good reason to leave the wiki and start up somewhere else. If it ever got to that stage, I'd personally go fuck you to the admins and start another wiki.

But thankfully, we all have a conscience and a good level of intelligence. Admins are not authority. They're users with extra buttons. That's always been a rule of a wiki, and always will be. I remember having this conversation about user hierarchy, and how the older users and admins seem to have more sway over the wiki's events. That's luckily becoming less prevalent now, though this sentiment of admin hierarchy still exists. As an old user to everyone on the wiki, I want to express this one message: Admins do not have any power over you. Unless you're extremely out of line, aggression from an admin is out of line if its completely unfounded.

That brings me to my next point and in reference to former points - aggression is almost always a two way thing on this wiki. If a user starts being aggressive to you, I want you to take a long look at yourself and ask yourself; Who started being aggressive first? If you find that it was you, back down and apologise, and sort it out in the way that users should. If not, do all the same. Like I said before, I have been guilty of being aggressive to other users. I'm fairly sure everyone knows by now that I don't take that kind of sentiment any more, and in turn no other user should take aggression.

That kind of shit is not acceptable on the wiki, not from a new user or an admin. Get yourselves together and act like actual humans. I'm fricking twenty-one years old for Christ's sake, and with this post it feels like I'm doing the exact opposite of what I'm trying to get across.

Do things yourselves. You're not stupid. 