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Universal Discussion Board
 This is a universal discussion board, from which all empires can give any announcements to every other empire. This board is not under the control of any organised entity unlike the Seven Starr Alliance, Universal Alliance of Nations, or Intergalactic Federation, so that all empires can send and recieve messages here.

The universal discussion board is available on common hyperluminal frequency #97, subspace frequency #201, and common holonet frequency #1138. The current communications nexus for the board is one of the temporary arrays set up in the Sol system after the near-destruction of New Tokyo; this should change to multiple locations within the next few months as we set up several more stations across the universe. ~ Admiral of the Girdo Empire 

Peace
"Greetings, beings of the first Gigaquadrant. Thank you, Girdos, for setting up this message board for all races. Us Fex are small but have big words to say. We empires are sophisticated but have not advanced beyond themselves and do not think of the good if everyone was united. Some isolate for their god, while others do not care and ruthlessly attack others who want the common good. These empires are small, but they have a lesson. They tell us to think of each empire as a city, not its own empire. We are asking the big favors; think of the common good, work together, and live in peace. This is what us Fex think of this board."

- Fex Leader

"Continuing, the Asgordians inspired us to work for peace. We should be like them, allying everybody we see and stopping ALL wars."

- Fex Leader

"Let's all hope for a United Universe."

- Diplomat Lezia of the Asgord Empire

"Peace? Peace is an illusion and always will be. A united universe is something of only dreams. There will always be a balance between peace and war."

- Captain Votarah

"Not if we work toward peace; am I right Lezia?"

- Fex Leader

"Alas you forget, against armies of Xhodocto who you will never truly defeat, the path we take is war. For true peace is only found in lore."

- Captain Votarah

"The path we take is force, diplomacy and peace does not always work in a universe in chaos. Plus, I kind of think it is better to have lots of different civilizations doing and believing different things."

- Admiral Horlin of the DCP. 14:30, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

"Yes, I agree. The many cultures and beliefs are what shape this the life of this universe as well as the reactions between them."

- Captain Votarah

"If there is one thing we've learned in my life, its that true peace is inpossable. Somewhere, someone is holding a big stick to enforce it. The fact that all these many cultures are different just makes the job that much harder."

- Evermind

"True peace is possible, we just need to look at ourselves and the others and find that true happiness lies within ourselves. We Asgordians embrace friendship and peace above anything. Now who wants to go to a party in Ka'an?"

- Diplomat Lezia of the Asgord Empire

"ME!"

- Fex Leader

"Hey, I'm an ambassador. I understand peace. But I also know that force is often the only way to get peace. And peace is only temporary. There will always be chaos and war, sadly. A unified universe is a noble goal, but an unnachievable one."

- Chief Ambassador Carillion

"True peace, complete and universal peace, no-wars-whatsoever peace, is practically impossible. The only way for it to work would be to incorporate as many people as possible into a group or hive mind and kill the rest. However, this obviously has its own host of issues. Still, we don't believe that war is usually necessary, and some form of intergalactic alliance could maintain an almost universal peace and defend the majority of the universe from needless wars and destruction."

- Admiral of the Girdo Empire

"If True Peace is Impossible, then how do you explain our over 1000 Allies in our home Galaxy? Just sit quietly, talk to each other, offer gifts, and poof! Alliance. Now do this 1 Million Times and you have a big happy Universe. If you guys won't do it, we'll do it. Just watch us."

- Diplomat Lezia of the Asgord Empire

"You just don't get it, do you, Lezia? Imagine if you were a Zazane female, you'd be harassed and used for experiments, and if you ever spoke any of that "global peace" nonsense in that Empire, you'd be killed! The Universe has tons of diffrent cultures with lots of diffrent thoughts. YOU WERE NOT ALL-FRIENDLY EITHER. In Fact, we have Loads of videos of Asgordian Fights and wars from before 50 KRE. What did you think of global peace then, huh?"

- Emperor Varkeos of the Kraw Empire

"Why does there have to be such a standard, which empires have to live up to? Who decides these standards? It is very Egocentric (which borders on the edge of narcissism, the selfish belief that the way one thinks, is superior over everyone elses).   Anyway, the definition of whats considered peaceful or evil changes throughout species (and their many cultures and individuals).  We of the DCP only eliminate evil if its threatens the order for us and our allies, we ourselves otherwise would be making a standard if we just crusaded the universe (we would be the fanatics).  Anyway, war drives the advancement and evolution of technology and society.  This "universal peace" is very fairytale, I'm afraid it just can't exist, there will always be those who will stir trouble for their own cause (which they might say is good or peaceful).  What if we fired flowers at the Xhodocto, or Cognatus? We would not survive, thats what! Embrace duality, a good thing is balanced by a bad thing, and vice versa, its a fact of nature that nothing can be perfect."

- Admiral Horlin of the DCP 15:42, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

"TRUE PEACE WILL HAP-PEN WHEN THE DAL-EK EM-PIRE REIGNS SU-PREME OVER THE UNIVERSE!"

- Dalek Supreme

"Oh, shut up. *taps control panel* Sorry about that; it won't happen again. Although, the Daleks are actually a good example of why Lezia's idea of giving everybody gifts won't succeed in making everybody allies. The Daleks won't accept money and flowers, will they? That's a rhetorical question, by the way. The answer's "no"."

- Emperor Tokzhalat

"Just because a race has had a darker past doesn't make them evil. And just cause peace is impossible doesn't mean we can't try for it."

- Evermind

"Thank you!"

- Fex Leader

"I Apologize for Lezia's behaviour, she just doesn't understand that there must be a balance of good and evil. -.-"

- Emperor Varkeos of the Kraw Empire

"No! All of you who won't even try for real peace are just lazy. You should all give Lezia a pure chance of heart! She tries her best at keeping the peace and war gives nothing! War only takes, and despite the slower advancement, what is better: Hundreds of Billions of dead people, or a simpler way of life with those hundreds of billions of people? Huh? Real peace is well worth it!"

- Fex Leader

"You fail to realize. nature itself is about death and rebirth. It keeps life going. One would be a fool to question it or hide from it. Though you may try to achieve universal piece it is a worthless struggle."

- Captain Votarah

"Mass destruction is bad! Let people die of natural causes!"

- Fex Leader

"Sometimes we have to die for what we believe in. The Xhodocto would not have spared us. Its about survival.  Crap happens, accept it.  As I said before, this "standard" is very egocentric, and itself, evil.  Evil manifests itself in different ways and changes per species."

- Admiral Horlin of the DCP 16:08, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

"This poem was found within our ancient archives: War is Peace Peace is War

War unites against One common enemy Peace tears apart A dream-like society

The fear during War Gives control to the government The calmness of Peace Lets your guard down with sentiment

War causes death Physically, Statistically

Peace ends life Emotionally, Personally

War is Peace Peace is War"

- Captain Votarah

"Then against who we shall unite Captain Votarah? If our common enemy is vanquished, should we have finally rest from this chaotic conflict against the Ayrai'Shikua, or should we engage in numerous minor conflicts that will finish what the demons have started?"

- Hierarch Kroc

"You tell me Kroc, Common enemies are all around us and maybe the fighting will never stop. but, If we must do so to survive and live another day than I believe we must do so. As for the Xhodocto conflict, how do you prepose we "rest it". The Xhodocto will always be a threat and shall keep on destroying. Those minor conflicts are fought to keep this galaxy from the wrong hands. Unless you suggest we make piece with our enemies and let them rip us apart."

- Captain Votarah

"I face reality captain, Our troops are returning in masses to their homes, from the passion and restless art of war, do you think will be reasonable just to led them into another conflict? Civil War will ensue Votarah, where will be your common enemy now? Having war torn us apart is something I will not risk for my people. I will rather gain my composure and prepare for a next big and glorious engagement than fighting all along the way of time"

- Hierarch Kroc

"Sorry I apologize but it seems I have a meeting... I will be back later..."

- Captain Votarah

"Cya, then. as for those smaller enemies then the Xhodocto, well, a swarm of nanotech can kill you just as easily as super nova, as the saying goes. Dead is dead, and only by attemting to keep the peace can we survicve, even if its futile."

- Evermind

"If the Universe can have hope, there can be peace! We must hold now what we saved from destruction instead of wasting it on other thing, we gave hope to this reality, so on this hope we keep peace, that is my solution."

- Hierarch Kroc

"As long as there is life, there is hope. But just because there is hope, does not mean that there will be peace. hope itself can be an enemy of peace, as sometime being hope for destruction, war and chaos. hope is a double edged sword, and must never be assumed good. Swords can cut you even as they cut others..."

- Evermind

"Understood."

- Fex Leader

"Hmph! Peace is just a dream, a wish. it will never come true, no matter what you do, because we of the Xandrio will always oppose it! you are all inferior beings, so why should we want peace with you?"

- Supreem Captian Dwary

"Ugh. Not another wannabe-ruler-of-the-universe empire? Aren't there enough of those flying about the place already? But anyway, I digress. I don't see why you've all been taking such a dualistic view of things. You seem to think the options are either universal peace or eternal war. What's wrong with the idea of an intergalactic alliance? One keeping most of the universe in peace, although inevitably having to deal with a rogue empire from time to time? That was the idea behind the old Seven Starr Alliance, was it not? Granted, the SSA collapsed... but there's no reason why we couldn't reform it and make it work this time around."

- Admiral of the Girdo Empire

"An Intergalactic alliance, This would seem like an idea to keep the piece wouldn't it? Once again that is not universal peace is it? No... not even a universe wide alliance can eradicate war and crime.True peace can be found in amounts, but like that light of day it will pass and the darkness will consume what was."

- Captain Votarah

"Oh, I agree that such a thing would not be true universal peace. That was the point I was making. But it also isn't the omnipresent war-torn chaos that so many of you seem to think is the inevitable only alternative."

- Admiral of the Girdo Empire

"Let's start this alliance!"

- Fex Leader

"You want to restart the Seven Starr Alliance? I'm not sure the universe is ready for it yet-"

- Admiral of the Girdo Empire

"The universe isn't ready for it yet."

- Emperor Tokzhalat

"-but if Tokzhalat disagrees with it, then it can't be a bad idea."

- Admiral of the Girdo Empire

"Oh, I don't disagree with it. I'd be happy to join such an alliance when my Empire has finished everything we need to do. But I don't think it will work right now."

- Emperor Tokzhalat

"Thank you for your opinion. Shall we begin the discussions?"

- Admiral of the Girdo Empire

"hmm, an alliance... kinda like the Sporemaster Alliance, cept bigger... i like it"

- evermind

"Alliances are for weaklings and fools. Only the weak need to be helped, while the truely strong can destroy all foes and don't need anyone to aid them!"

- Supreem Captian Dwary

"Thank you for keeping your philosophical opinions in this section, "Supreem Captian", where we can all completely ignore them. But anyway: alliances are just as much for organisational purposes as they are for necessity. Sure, maybe we could defeat all of our foes if we wanted to. But if we have allies, we can defeat them much more quickly and with less losses on our side."

- Admiral of the Girdo Empire

Restarting the Seven Starr Alliance
"Now we can discuss whether or not we should reform the Seven Starr Alliance, and if so, how it will be recreated and what changes we will make to it, to make it different from the original SSA that failed. Any philosophical comments about it, such as the futility of such an alliance against the harsh and cruel nature of time and the universe and ancient evils and so on and so forth can be appended to the "Peace" discussion above. This topic won't be about that. So, would anybody like to start?"

- Admiral of the Girdo Empire

"If the Sporemaster Alliance joins, will it be dissolved?"

- Evermind

"We could share different technologies and discover new things like galaxies, universes, technologies, etc."

- Captain Benjamin XII

"This should be one rule. You must be allies with the races in the alliance. It should be the bastion for good, and then there will be another alliance for the evil, who you must be enemies with the opposite faction."

- Fex Leader

"No, Evermind, the Sporemaster Alliance need not be dissolved unless you all choose it to be. The Seven Starr Alliance would be a larger entity, not a replacement. Yes, Captain Benjamin, that's one of the main advantages to an organised alliance like this. And yes, Fex Leader - at least in that all members of the SSA must be allies with all of the other members of the SSA. I don't agree with your dualistic ideas of "good" versus "evil", though. Anybody who fought in the Girdo Galactic War - just ask Tokzhalat; he'll agree with me - knows why. Just look at what's happening in the Ottzello Galaxy now. Who is good and who is evil? The squabbling empires who can barely hold an alliance for long enough to not fall into endemic warfare and contast economic depression? The xenocidal maniacs intent on conquering the galaxy? The bloodthirsty Loron? And that's easy to divide into "good" and "evil" compared to what happened in Girdo."

- Admiral of the Girdo Empire

"Well, then this will never work. If this alliance is to keep peace, it must allow EVERYONE to get a chance to speak up and talk about their issues and reasons, so others can try to help them. Only the Xodocto are evil for evils sake, all the others have reasons, and some of those can be aleveated. Also, some members may not wish to ally other members, or ally "evil" races. If so then does that mean they will be ecpunged? No, i think this should be an alliance for the sole purpose of spreading ideas and peace, and as such, anyone should be able to join."

- Evermind

"That makes little sense, leader of the Fex. Nobody sees themselves as evil, this should be an alliance of serious political discussion, not accusing other empires of being evil. The Seven Starr Alliance is in the process of reforms, for example the Zazane will be expelled from the alliance and talks of improving the SSA's fleet are under way, though as my allies of the DCP tell me, the SSA is not an alliance in the sense of the Intergalactic Federation, more of a unified Empire."

- President Apollo

"Evermind: Maybe. Nothing about the new SSA is set in stone yet. Nothing ever is. Of course, this board here was created mainly so that eveybody could talk about their problems and allow others to help them; regardless of whether or not they belong to any intergalactic organisations other empires can still help them and they can still help other empires. Apollo: That is along the lines of what I was thinking."

- Admiral of the Girdo Empire

"I am sorry. I am just used to the Milky Way and Universe 939152 politics, in which the empires that fight for peace, democracy, and freedom oppose the ones that are chaotic and dictatorships. Dropping that part."

- Fex Leader

"This should not be an alliance as much of a safe place for even beings like the Grox, Zazane, and Xhodocto to have political discution, a plae where you can safely diclar war and expect to make it home, or a place for enemies to meet and try to work things out. It should not have its own fleet, except for unarmed shuttles to being people from their worlds to the meeting place, which should be constructed in a joint effort by all the races willing to help, or chossen from an unoccupied planet with few resourses. The power behind the SSA should be that anyone who attacks a shuttle will be immedietly attacked by everyone within range of the shuttles distress call. To the Fex leader,: The Sporemaster Alliance contain both dictatorships, and democracies, even a few monarchies an a hive mind. We manage, so can the ssa"

- Evermind

"I don't know. Like I said, this message board here was made to be a politically neutral forum in which those sorts of things can be discussed. The first Seven Starr Alliance was made to have an active part in keeping intergalactic security, so why shouldn't its successor do the same?"

- Admiral of the Girdo Empire

"Well, personally, i think each empire should be able to keep its own security, else they will grow weak because of all the help. Another reason is that the SSA collapsed because it was taken for an empire. I it doesn't have any pffensive fleets, no one can make such a claim, and no one will have a reason to leave. It will depend on the help of the members races, and as such, it will truly be a politicaly neutral zone. After all, would YOU go to a place with you worse enemy if that place had ships and weapons that could be stolen, or used against you? i wouldnen't"

- Evermind

"Clearly you have not done much research on the subject, Evermind. The SSA does have a defense fleet used to fight the enemies of the civilized empires and vandals, I know this because my state has been a member for several years, a fact that you cannot boast. That part will not change, it is not politically neutral as it is an empire in onto its self, with a capital, a fleet and embassies throughout the universe. Personally I feel that empires should be picked based on past allegiances and history. you are clearly against the idea, anyway, so don't join. It really is, that simple."

- President Apollo

"Evermind, like I said, why would we need a politically neutral organisation - assuming you can have a truly politically neutral organisation, as it will most likely have to be biased towards itself - when this message board (which isn't tied to any entity, political or otherwise, except the relay stations that allow it to exist) does the same job but with less disadvantages? And as Apollo says: if you don't want to be part of the new SSA, then don't join it. Nobody's forcing you or anybody else to."

- Admiral of the Girdo Empire

"ugg, im just worried that it will morph into an empire and do something stupid... Also, i mispoke, the "I" was supposed to be an "It", but my transmitter is having issues."

- Evermind

"I feel that reforming the Seven Starr Alliance would be a wise decision. This universe needs order, a guiding hand that brings stern justice and law. I also agree with my friend, the most honorable President Apollo, empires should be chosen on there past history."

- King Cavvia'Ko

"I understand, Evermind. It shouldn't morph into an empire, though. Even if it develops a common security force, it will be voluntary, and most member nations will keep their own fleets to themselves and not be swayed by the decisions of the SSA as a whole. It would be a united military alliance, not a de facto empire. And anyway, the SSA open communications channels will probably be made publically available. If you think it's about to do something stupid, you will be more than free to send a transmission on said channels to point it out and suggest a solution. I'm sure most empires will be more than willing to listen to your feedback. Oh, and yes, there have been some problems with the discussion board's error correcting systems, especially with transmissions from more distant galaxies. Hopefully that will change when we build some more relays. I would suggest that one be built in or near the Cyrannus Galaxy, and another to be built maybe somewhere near Tuuros. Actually, that brings up another issue: what's been happening to the Tuuros and Tigris Galaxies since the Xhodocto's defeat? I haven't heard any news from either of them."

- Admiral of the Girdo Galaxy

"I agree with my friends of the Girdo Empire, and I approve the construction of a relay in Cyrannus. Also to answer your question, I have no idea about Tuuros, though I doubt many empires will want to colonize it, however, we control several thousand systems in the Tigris Galaxy along with our Krassio allies. The Tigris Galaxy is returning to normal and peace."

"Thank you."

- Admiral of the Girdo Empire

"We'll set up a relay in the Ghelaxin Galaxy, which is close enough to Tuuros, although some more in that area of the First Gigaquadrant might still be useful. Also, we'll send some of our ships to scout Tuuros and see if there's anything of note. There probably won't be, but it's worth a look."

- Emperor Tokzhalat

"Erm... okay. Thanks. We're also setting up a relay in the Girdo Galaxy, on Imperial Capitol, and we're sending engineers over to the one in the Sol system to help make it into a more permanent fixture. That should be enough for a start."

- Admiral of the Girdo Empire

"Well, when the Sporemaster Alliance reaches the Tuuros galaxy in about a week or so, we will be able to tell, you, at least in our small part of it. As for the relay stuff, feel free to put one in the Forma Galaxy. Not to sure about the Sana Galaxy, not till the end of the Sapo Civil War anyway. When setting up your relay station, be wary of the Xandrio, they have been attacking Alliance ships and pirating spice and other goods. As for my worries that the SSA will become an empire, if i join, i'll be able to moniter and prevent such a thing, and i'll be able to prevent stupidity too. Now, i heard several people want to make membership only for previuse members, that BS on a grand scale and is definitally under the Stupid catagory! Anyone should get the chance to join, not just people who were in it b4 it collapsed. Just my 2 cents."

- evermind

"About the relay: simply build it based on the schematics for the Sol system one. That's what the rest of us are doing. You probably know more about the Forma Galaxy and so where the relay should go, too. Feel free to add any defences to the relay station to defend it against the Xandrio, but there's no tactical advantage to be gained from attacking one of them anyway. And feel free to apply for membership to the new SSA when it's formed - if you don't end up becoming one of the founding members, that is. You should probably be accepted. And I don't know who thinks that only members of the old SSA should be allowed in the new SSA, but I agree that it's a bad idea. They might be more quickly accepted into it (and that's only because we'll know of their recent allegiences and behaviour), but that should be as far as it goes."

- Admiral of the Girdo Empire

"You only need to explore the small part of Tuuros that you're already planning on doing. Our first ships are already there; you should probably just look around and confirm our findings. Oh, and it'll take about a week for us to explore the entire galaxy, so we probably won't be publically revealing anything until then."

- Emperor Tokzhalat

"Oh, ok Emperor Tokzhalat, we're sending in colony ships anyway. With a small defensive fleet in case of problems. Also, Admiral, the Xandrio would attack it just cause it there and can be used as scrape. They aren't eggzactly "political" if u know what i mean"

- Evermind

"HEY! We can be political... we just don't want to"

- Supreem Captian Dwary

"Then if you think there's a realistic chance of the relay being attacked, put whatever defensive systems you think are necessary onto it. Shielding is preferable, so long as it doesn't interfere with communications, but you can add weapons and other defences if you need to."

- Admiral of the Girdo Empire

"so, when do you think the SSA would be restarting?"

- Evermind

"I'm not sure. Probably when there's a large enough threat to the First Gigaquadrant for everybody to feel as though we need such an alliance, and when relations between all of the constituent empires are strong and stable enough for the SSA to not collapse into civil war within a matter of weeks."

- Admiral of the Girdo Empire

"Well then, we need the Xhodocto to come back... wow, did i really just say that?"

- evermind

"The Xhodies did come back! One crashed the Pepian Ms.Pepis's wedding, and they WILL go for better."

- Fex leader

"And what of the Cognatus? They are in the process of totally destroying the Quadrant Galaxies, hundreds of thousands of worlds have been destroyed and even empires like the DCP and the Rambo cannot stop their march of destruction."

- President Apollo

"Universe 939152's United Military Organization will come to your aid within a week."

- Fex Leader

"Then maybe we should rebuild the SSA now, if it will help. But we have to make sure we don't rush things; we can't have an alliance that's falling apart as soon as it's founded."

- Admiral of the Girdo Empire

"Yea, if this is gonna work, we need it to start stable, and hopefully that will be enuff to get others to join. Now all we need are members. By my count, the members are the Fex, The Sporemaster Alliance, The Girdo, The King Kava'co (or sumthin), President Apollo, and Emporor Tokhalzat, and their empire/empiers they represent. Thats six members, unless the SA counts as 10, but it doesn't. We need one more."

- Evermind

"Erm... no. Tokzhalat's Empire is not going to be a member of the Seven Starr Alliance any time soon. The Sana and Forma Galaxies are quite far away from the action of the Imperial Civi War, which is between my empire - the Empire of the Girdo Galaxy - and his - the "Tokzhalan Empire" - so I can understand that you wouldn't know about it. However, you can easily check various recent historical records to see what the Tokzhalan Empire have done. Have you heard about the Battle of Sol? And in the current war in the Ottzello Galaxy, Tokzhalat's forces are some of those commiting multiple xenocides. Also, there's no reason why the "Seven Starr Alliance" needs to actually have seven members. It's just a name, and never meant anything anyway."

- Admiral of the Girdo Galaxy

"Oh... um... hahaha. My bad... anyway, then its 5 empires to start. If all the empires are willing to join, we could set this up and be ready for the chaos that is sure to come."

- Evermind