Board Thread:Wiki Discussion/@comment-1073312-20140816013529/@comment-1309126-20140816110843

Having been here for five and a half years now, having seen many different user-based explosions on how the wiki works and what we do within it, there's only one real solution to this faction problem and a way to solve it;

You can't. It just can't be solved. No matter of wiki policy could do this nor could it ever.

Sure, may sound brutal and harsh, but the wiki needs to solve a problem, not dwell on it as it has for the past eight months. You either have to do something about it or keep dwelling on the problem (as we have) until things that happen that divide the community become greater and greater until the wiki splits entirely, all because we did nothing about it. Factions on the wiki, yes. It's something that has probably existed since 2010 or 2011 when the wiki started growing a lot bigger. We have the general lot, then the Quadrants lot, then the Katar sector lot and then multiple other factions between those three that mix. It's a problem, yes. But do you think such factions can coexist? Of course they can.

But it's not that which is the problem. No 'society' as such can perfectly coexist. It's a pipe-dream. SporeWiki is no exception. Users cannot expect to perfectly coexist with ever other user.

As for more admins? No. Whilst I dropped out of being admin admittedly during a psychotic breakdown I still stand-by the fact that I did drop out for a reason. More admins just creates a larger hierarchy than what's already here, and, being fatalistic and pessimistic as this post is, user hierarchies happen because it just happens. You can break it down, all well and good and rosy for everyone, but it will build back up no matter the circumstance, no matter the user and no matter the number.

Being here since the conception of the Fiction Universe, I've seen many different 'hierarchies' shift and be created because of different levels of 'influence' and activity here; the only faction closest to perfection is between Cyrannian and Dinoman because there's only two figureheads in it. You get users in between that at times, but it's only the Cyrannus/Quadrants interaction that has never had a catastrophic problem.

You get more users in the faction and a hierarchy just created ex nihilo. You can't change that. Period.

I've admittedly been far too paranoid about Cyrannian in the past and now I've pretty much put all of that behind me and locked it up forever and doing my best to be friends again (whether Cyrannian sees it like that is another matter) but facts are facts - if you can't see eye to eye - you can either create an understanding or you cannot. If you cannot create an understanding, you find better understandings between different users, and this is how factions are made. This is also how users such as sysops are then viewed as tyrannical users; because everyone gets a different idea in a group. As soon as admins are viewed as a different group the idea of the word 'administrator' already puts them above the rest of the users inadvertently. You can overcome social obstacles but there's no such thing as no social obstacles.

So what do you expect, to be honest? Changing something that has been hardwired into the mind of man since civilisation began is impossible. All you can do really is soften those barriers. Hierarchies and factions can never be dissolved completely but the interaction between them can be improved. But I'm not getting my hopes up. As long as users have consciousnesses, problems are gonna happen, end of. Improving the presentation of admins? Well; if I was still an admin I'd kick everyone up the back side in order to make admins have their opinions for the entire wiki to decide.

Wikis aren't democracies as Jo would say, but communities aren't wikis. Communities are people. As long as people have opinions, people need to have their opinions heard...if it were as simple as that.

Sure. Rage all you want. That will just fortify my claim.