Thread:The Clanden/@comment-1370845-20140816003206/@comment-24.7.29.63-20140816033803

This does a lot to make me understand your point of view, and I agree with the vast majority of the posts you made. However, there are a few things I would like to answer.

"I'm going to make it clear that the attitude you have unintentionally promoted has been one of a dissident, and many users have had a problem with that. It's for that reason I had to make it clear here that I'm not going to support a wiki with such an attitude."

I am not sure I see what you mean. What am I dissenting against? Can't "new" users have as much freedom in fiction as old users? Or rather, should we not have a say in the workings of the status quo, or is it exclusively up to the old users to decide this? Can we not express ourselves in fiction with our own styles an innovate perhaps in a different way than was established, or are we forced to conform?

"You've told me that it is not your fault and you have done nothing wrong. But the fact is, whether you meant to do anything wrong or not, whether you meant to hurt anyone, you have done so. If someone feels bullied, it doesn't matter who's done the bullying or why, it matters that there have been consequences."

This seems more like a misunderstanding, then, than an instance of actual bullying. It's a perception problem, having less to do with the attitude of the supposed bullies and more to do how they are interpreted. In theory, the incentives in this situation should point towards better communication and assuming good faith, not towards punishing bullying. The side who is perceived as the bullies should communicate their intentions better and be mindful of how they appear to others. At the same time, those who feel bullied should perhaps assume good faith and question whether or not that rude comment (which may sound that way only because of the ambiguities of text-based communication) was actually meant to be read/interpreted that way.

"So, if you want evidence that you are a dissident, then I have little for you. This is because I, again, am not the one with the problems with your attitude. I have recieved multiple complaints from several people, whom I shall not mention as they spoke to my privately, that they have a problem with "Angrybirds and his posse", and I have been asked numerous times to take action against you. I have, until today, refrained from doing that, out of respect."

This, again, goes back to a problem in communication. If people have a problem with how I behave, then they should speak to me directly about it rather than going to the admins. I had no idea that people were complaining about me behind my back, and I would have liked to know this earlier. As for "my posse," I would like to make it clear that I am no ringleader. I have friends who trust me, whom I trust in return, and whom I treat as equals. I am not their boss, they aren't my minions who do my bidding.

"When I gave you the warning, I gave it with the message "not listening". This is because the main complaint pattern appears to be that your behaviour has been rebellious and unhelpful towards members of staff. For instance, the issue discussed. You had a right to your opinion, your opinion that you did nothing wrong with that UDB post. And you have (very well, I must say) expressed why. But you also ignored the request of a member of staff. Now, I'm not saying you should just blindly accept our every word, I'm saying you should listen to us with the thought in mind that we have done a lot for this wiki. Not to gloat, but the current userbase who have made the most contributions to this website, be it hte templates, the community updates, the mainspace, and generally keeping it all together, are all the members of staff. So I do think you should respect the opinion of a member of staff."

This is why I think the "new user" way of thinking should have a representative on the staff. Even you admit here that they wield more influence than "just a regular user with more buttons." One of your main objections to minting a new admin was that we are new and have no idea what we are doing. There is no denying that many of us have made countless contributions over the years (I've been here for two) and can hardly be considered inexperienced. I have had plenty of experience leading large community projects like Katar or the Great Xonexian Schism. I have made many mistakes during that time, but I've learned from them and grown as a human being. If not me due to the fact that I'm unpopular with the admins at present, then users like Tybusen or Monet, who have also been here for years, might be candidates.

I hope this clears a few things up.