SporeWiki:Super Collab

'''Welcome to the SporeWiki Super Collaboration project page. The purpose of this page is to focus on key concepts and ideas created for the project, keep track of them, and make decisions on the project.'''

Introduction
The central idea behind the super collaboration is that users contribute to a world building project with a specialisation and can provide suggestions to other contributors. This could either be in-universe (such as science and technology, culture, and so-on) or out-of-universe (such as page formatting, image creation). Unlike the main fiction universe no-one will have full control or ownership over content submitted to the project. The spirit of the project involves voluntary contribution, and no user will be forced to do or not do something against their will. Users with different specialisms can also discuss their ideas with each other. Decisions will be made by community consensus.

How to contribute
The project should start out small. The idea is to build the fiction "bottom up", that means starting with the basics of the fiction before branching out. This avoids over-complication of the setting. The ideal would be to start with a single fiction, and for contributors to work together on it, before branching out to build more content and the setting.

Submitting content
Before content can be added to the project, it must first be submitted for canonization. This section will cover the types of submission, and how to submit content.

To begin, we shall cover the four types of submissions.

Creation
A submission is considered a "creation" if it contains content that does not build off of any existing canon content. This would include things like the creation of a new civilization or a new species.

Submissions in this category will have to be approved through a poll before it is accepted as canon. Territory claims also fall under this category.

Addition
A submission is considered an "addition" if it is a large addition to any existing content that is already canon. Examples include things like a new city, religion, etc. for an existing civilisation.

Submissions in this category will be automatically made canon unless vetoed by the creator of the content the addition pertains to. If vetoed, the subbmission will have to be approved by poll.

Expansion
A submission is considered an "expansion" if it simply expands upon existing canon content. This would include things like past events, character descriptions, or buildings within cities.

Submissions in this category will be automatically made canon unless vetoed by the creator of the  content the addition pertains to. If vetoed, the subbmission will have to be approved by poll.

Modification
A submission is considered a "modification" if it makes some sort of destructive change to existing canon content. This would include things like changes to a species' biology, removal of content, etc.

Submissions in this category will have to be approved through a poll before it is accepted as canon.

Here's a template that you should use for submissions. Simply copy/paste this wiki code, and then fill in the needed fields.

Type of submission:

Name of submitter:

Name of content creator:

Link to relevant content:

Brief description of submission:

Summary/longer description of submission (if necessary):

Voting
Inevitably there will be points and issues during the project where it could go one of a number of ways. Such issues will be debated in the discussion section below. Polls can be created using bullet points with a comment describing one's opinion. One may use polling templates if necessary.

Please be patient with edit conflicts. Save your edit before submission so it can be pasted back again.

When voting one should follow this example:


 * - Explanation - ~

When discussing, direct replies to the line above can be added in this fashion:

User One comments "blah".


 * User Two replies "blergh".


 * User Three replies "blarg".

User Four comments on something else.

User One comments "blah".
 * User Two replies "blergh".
 * User Three replies "blarg".

User Four comments on something else.

Current projects
None yet.

Submission
Submit ideas for review here.

Issue 1: Where should we set this project
Much of the focus seems to be setting this project in an entire new universe. And it seems to be the most popular idea. However, much of this spirals from a suggestion made on IRC, and there has been no formal decision on whether to start this project in the main fiction universe (or even Fantasy or Civilisation universe), a timeline or different era within the main universe, or an entirely new universe. I believe we should weigh the pros and cons for each of these settings (but we shouln't be concerned with the details of a setting yet). -- Wormulon  Talk to me  00:56, April 10, 2016 (UTC)


 * My personal opinion is that we may encounter conflits of interest if we set this fiction in the primary fiction universe at it's current time and space. The point is that we supposed to be working together, but that little island of working together will burst in a setting where in everything else we are not. Especially if the fiction expands and interacts with existing fictions, where we have very different ideas both in and oit of universe about how things run.  As a pro for setting in the main universe, it would mean we wouldn't have to build an entirely new setting.  And as a compromise, I don't mind working on a small-scale fiction set in the main universe as an experiment before working on something like an entirely new one.  In any case, we should start out small. --Wormul.png Wormulon   Talk to me  00:56, April 10, 2016 (UTC)


 * For the reasons Wormulon mentioned above, I think that we should have this take place in a universe separate from any established ones, and that we should start out with something small, i.e. keep it contained to a single solar system, at the very most, until we are confident that we can move on to something more. 01:14, April 10, 2016 (UTC)


 * I agree with the above. I have recommended, rather than keeping it to a single system, having user-owned components of the larger fiction be individual planets which can be fleshed out at will. This will allow us to limit to scope where individual planets are actually important, and ships can be unique without having to be huge.
 * I disagree with a new universe entirely, as it would limit our options for interaction once we are satisfied with this project being completed. Though I do agree we should prevent outside interactions for the time being. I would suggest we create a new galaxy to set this in. Then we can work from there. It could be kept in its own universe for the time being, but once we reach a point where we're at the point of having a sizeable fiction, keeping them alone limits things.
 * - Groxkiller98
 * - Groxkiller98


 * Perhaps a compromise between the two could be considered. Perhaps instead of a new universe, we build it in an alternate version of the Milky Way. For this version perhaps everything beyond the region is completely unknown - untracked "here there be dragons" territory beyond the edge of known space. We won't need to worry about alternate physics and if we keep the territory small, like say a few systems or planets, then it could easily pass under the notice of the space giants. If this fiction succeeds enough to warrant establishment in the main universe, then it can be easily moved. On a galactic scale 1000 light years isn't much, but that kind of volume can contain millions of stars; even conservative estimates on the Drake Equation would give us access to hundreds or thousands of planets capable of fostering conditions favourable to life. --[[Image:urielminipic01.png|20px]]Monet47 - "Immortality is an elusive thing" 11:55, April 10, 2016 (UTC)
 * Maybe... But if we were to perhaps have a new galaxy, we could build our own superpower for the super collab. And still not have to deal with the other big super powers being where we would be using. We could consider the new galaxy entirely non-canon, until a point where we can all agree on whether it should remain permanently non-canon, or become a canon part of the fiction universe.
 * - Groxkiller98
 * - Groxkiller98


 * I have plenty of potential ideas, but for me the most important thing is that we keep the world relatively small, at least compared to the big Fictionverse. A galaxy at best, or perhaps even a small sector of it. Outside of making the universe collab more grounded, this would also make the resulting project fairly easy to integrate into SporeWiki proper if it proves popular. [[Image:MiniTert.png|20px]] - Imperios  -   The fallen empire will not be forgotten...  16:02, April 10, 2016 (UTC)


 * In addition, if we start out by setting it in a relatively small region of space - say, within a sphere no more than 5000 light-years in radius - then whether it is more appropriate to be its own reality or whether it can be incorporated into the main fictionverse (and if the latter, where and when) is something that we'll be able to make a more well-informed decision on when we have more content. 16:06, April 10, 2016 (UTC)


 * I believe Ghelae's suggestion is a logical approach if we want to build up this fiction "bottom up". We should make sure we are well-informed before making any decision, so we are not running headlong down paths we can't turn back on. --Wormul.png Wormulon   Talk to me  19:36, April 10, 2016 (UTC)


 * I agree with both what Wormulon and Ghelae have said, but something I'd like to say is that it's important to realize just exactly how much stuff is in the relatively "small" space of 250 light years. Even in the local neighborhood, within a sphere of radius 250ly, there are around 260000 stars, and probably twice that many planets. I propose a starting space of, at most, 15 light years (for reference, there's about 33 stars within 12.5 ly of the Sun) so then we don't have to deal with the problems that come with large numbers being thrown around, and that the ownership of even a single planet is still significant. It's important to keep in mind that a bigger setting does not necessarily make it better, and that increasing the scope of a setting generally just introduces more problems. 20:04, April 10, 2016 (UTC)


 * Speaking of the area for the fiction to be settled, as Ghel and others said, we really should stick to the (relatively) small area to set up the whole project. I think that instead of creating a galaxy, or setting an area that is literally too small to become a thing, we could make some use out of so-called "galaxy satellites". If speaking of Milky Way, perhaps one of the Magellanic Clouds.
 * Or, we could set up the project in a globular cluster. It would be far easier to do than a satellite, or a galaxy. 18:00[UTC] April 10, 2016
 * My previous comment is basically that it's best to not decide exactly where the setting is until we've worked out what the fiction needs, and that applies to what kind of galaxy it's in just as much as which fictionverse it's in. We can start out small and expand it as we need to. In fact, that may be one of the first things we do after we get the basic idea of what the fiction will involve.
 * Satellite galaxies and globular clusters are possible scenarios to keep in mind, of course; but remember that they have the same problems as irregular and elliptical galaxies respectively. 17:35, April 10, 2016 (UTC)
 * If that's what we're going with, I think we should go with a smaller galaxy, and perhaps work with a faction that have a smaller portion of it, though with a high enough percentage of the galaxy that they wouldn't look like they would be in strict danger of being snuffed out by any large rivals. Perhaps it could be a dwarf spiral galaxy with two beams connecting the core to the arms? Maybe 20,000 light years in size? Then a 5000 light year portion would be the limit of the factions size?
 * - Groxkiller98
 * - Groxkiller98

I will have to agree with Charles Murray, i think that, if we gonna make a small Faction, why not a really small. Would be interesting to see how a tiny force trying survive in the between giants. Imagine a lonely sistem trapped in crossfire while there is a big interstellar war happening (any war that already exist in the lore, in any galaxy) they don't even know how and for which reason this war started, they only now that the are alone and now have to somehow survive. -
 * CptBreno - April 20, 2016, 22:52(UTC)

' going to still have to disagree. While that would be an interesting idea, it still limits us. Perhaps if we had one large power made up of smaller powers that could perhaps be struggling with infighting and the possibility of a massive civil war? Larger empires have the benefit of the ability to have vastly different cultures under one banner, due in part to the massive distances between star clusters.
 * I'd op for an approched more like the Republic from Star Wars where ever world is a different faction, though they are all under one alliance, lead by some sort of Senate as a whole. Could produce some interesting stories on both a personal and interstellar level. Corruption, infighting, ect.
 * Perhaps we should have a poll?
 * - Groxkiller98