Board Thread:Wiki Discussion/@comment-1370845-20141227162737/@comment-1073312-20141228135909

Angrybirds:

I don't think you quite understood my point. Hard-core wiki-type users are not just confined to the main namespace (why do you keep going back to that?). It is of a growing opinion (and indeed of yours at least for a time) that there are serious communication problems on this wiki (especially on disagreements about fictions, or decision making, or admin abilities), and a lot of this stems from the fact not everybody is on tune to the same chorus.

What do I mean by chorus? A wiki cannot be separated into different parts. At least three years ago it was not (and we had artists, story tellers and role-players, if not more then, fiction is slowing down here). Your point on that we aren't going away either, actually that's a distortion of my point. May I remind you how many of the older wiki base has gone, and some are getting fed up now, partly because the wiki isn't working and partly because we are getting older.

None of this is to dictate editing habits. It is to encourage editing habits that benefit the wiki, not its users. That is why sometimes, some of us are more interested it what benefits the wiki. As soon as you start catering to users, you are no longer on neutral ground. In my opinion, we should put the wiki first in our decision making, and in that sense, the wiki already has message walls, forums and IRC.

And finally, Wikis are not politics and shouldn't be conflated with it. Remember the page "Wikipedia is not a democracy", the same applies here. We have to put what is objectively best for the wiki as a whole. The sheer fact that you did not know that the Recent Changes existed is a real sign of what I'm talking about. Its hurting the learning curve for new users. It only helps to segregate us all. In the end, we'll end up with a less knowledgeable users.

Now I don't doubt the ability of new users who have come these last couple of years. What we should be talking about, is improving their experience, their learning curve, and improving the whole wiki's ability to communicate effectively and to remember what a wiki is. You don't have to be a hard-core genius, nobody is when they start editing. The point is, in the old days you learned these things as you went a long, but its actually harder now.