Thread:Zillafire101/@comment-5496489-20151027142437/@comment-4960835-20151129130946

I can tell you the things from the Waptorian standpoint at least. It can sbe summed up as "shock". Like so many events in the past, that shock (created by an otside force actually) negatively spiralled out of control and led them to undertake actions that they normally wouldn't have done. In the end it caused a mentality shift causing the strained Eldarisian-Waptorian relations, though it didn't necessarily have to come to that.

Now the backstory of the Waptorian hostilities to the Eldarisians is more closely intertwined with other, past events than outsiders would realize. and as the following will make clear, they are far from an ideal nation.

Initially, I would say, the relations between the Eldarisan and the Waptoria would've been fiarly warm. Both share allies - the APR, and friend - Terra. Furthermore the Waptoria would even have allowed the worship of Cuth within their borders - initially not seeing it as dangerous.

After all, the Waptoria had another (and importantly - lost) ally whose deity has very simmilar values to Cuth - the Aeoneonatrix, and their deity, the Cleanser, whom alongside the other memebers of the league of patrons was also allowed to be worshipped freely within the Alliance of Species.

Now it must be said that the Waptorian vieuw of the Aeoneonatrix was thorougly positive - and very warped. When they where expelled from Katar, the Waptoria -falsely- believed that the Aeoneotrix had wished them to stay while they in reality had voted for all non-natives to be expelled. The Waptoria also did continue to think of the Aeoneonatrix as liberators and protectors of the weak rather than as discriminators to and forced convertors of those races they absorbed into their own. Aeoneonatrixian propaganda did a good job as portraying themselves as the former and hiding the latter - only the Hegemony, later the Faragento and even later the Drodo saw trough this all up until it became common knowledge and the Empire disappeared off the map. The Waptoria, having been kicked out of Katar already at the end of the Great Deceiver war, could not witness the souring inter-Katarian relationships and did not witness the renouncement of the Aeoneonatrixian deeds that followed. They only became aware of the Aeoneonatrixian vanishment from Katar - without the nessecary framework to adequately place. Thus their vieuw of the Aeoneonatrix Empire remained positive, and the Waptoria still saw likeminded empires, such as Eldarisia, as potential allies. In hindsight, one might wonder why the tolerant Waptoria would see such self-declared "good" empires as potential allies, but in hindsight, it is always easy to wonder at such things, and there often is no clear answer to that. Most likely they really where self-deluding themselves at that time, believing that in their multi-species alliance they such believes where only a piece of the greater whole without overtaking that great whole. The longer since the Aeoneonatrix Empire had dissapear, the more uniformely positive and noble the Waptorian vieuw of them became - a process known as mnemonic cleansing. The Waptoria effectively came to(/chose to) collectively whipe the more negiative traits of the Aeoneonatrix and their religion from their memory - made all the easier by the groupmind, which was actually envisioned upon creation to counter such events.

Thus due to this undoubtedly warped and uniformely positive vieuw, the deities of the League where -at that time- very popular within the Alliance. Unlike to the native Waptorian deities, here was no true loyalty to them, but they where called upon rather heavily in certain circumstances - think of how the Romans or ancient Greeks worshipper their deities, they also constantly switched around but still could claim they honored the same panthenon. Cuth would occupy a simmilar niche. They simmilarities between Cuth and the Cleanser would have not escaped the Waptorian notice; given how much they value syncretism in general, I would imagine that Cuth -in their minds- would be a member of the League of Patrons, or even an alternate form of the Cleanser or the Judge - and that they would worship him as such. They would set off the most radical Eldarisian, but it would be nothing too mayor.

Then came the outide "shock" that would thorougly change the Waptorian vieuwpoint on self-righteous ("good") religions, deities, and empires: the return of the Aeoneonatrix. By now the Waptorian vieuwpoint of the Aeoneonatrixian ideals was almost unrealistically positive and deluded. Thus when the news of the return of the Aeoneonatrix broke out, first thing they did was send a fleet to aid their old allies. It was quite the cold douche, and an eye-opener. What they expected to see and what they saw turned out to be vastly diffrent. With a bit of aid from Xza'ran, the Waptoria now realized all the clearer how wrong they had been about the Aeoneonatrix, and how delusional. The Waptoria recalled their fleets and (most importantly), declared their godess Xha'hal never to have been a part of the League at all, causing diplomatic realtions to drop in an instant again much to the like of Xza'ran (who basiaclly serves as the WapGod of free will and really isn't as demonic as everyone thinks him to be). Once records of the the Aeonenatrixian "aristocracies" where released to teh general public, there was a massive backlash against League worship and worpship of simmilar deities, as well as a massive rencouncement of these beinsg (it helped that Waptorian law forbids the selling of souls). Que the backlash against the worship an unlated (?) deity as well, Cuth, and a real diplomatic souring and break with Eldarisia this time.

Lastly I want to stress that aliens are aliens and by all means think as aliens. What is politically feasible for humans is not necessarily politically feasible for aliens and vice versa - this is linked to alien thought patterns which ultimately influence which path they take in history almost as puch as realpolitic (not even counting historical or even imagined ties). (I'm saying this as a history student and as a political science student yu might disagee with me there.)