Talk:Grox/Archive 3

Homeworld
In my game the Grox's Homeworld (The planet from where you receive Grox Bribe messages and Alliance Offerings) is the Agavicea planet, in the Cephylea system. And in yours? Poeringu 12:43, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't remember the star's name, but the planet was called "Mimas" in my game. OluapPlayer 12:46, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Mine is Planet Leynas in the Anduras system. 159.250.29.4 12:59, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Mine was a planet in the Jular System.HerbisoarEmpire 20:02, 16 February 2009 (UTC)HerbisoarEmpire

I used the Staff of Life on the Grox homeworld! Wormulon 22:09, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Once Deman I. Imperios 20:43, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

In my game, the star is called "Dozancyce", but the Grox occupy two planets in mine- "Schadis" and "Melion" 94michael731 15:35 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Im almost sure is star Esperosa, planet Chadajas-2, but I`m not sure. --Fedelede 18:20, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Lets just close this, because it looks like The Grox homeworld has a random name, just like most planets and stars in the game. robostuart@gmail.com 23:39, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

i dont think you know how to see if it is the homeworld the way you se it is that on colonys there is a ring around them on the galactic map but if it is the homewolrd then there is a. on it. in my game it is acaodar in the actronian system just next to the center of the galaxy

Yea, I forgot that. It is not. Thanks for clearing that up (: --Fedelede 22:14, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

DO THE GROX HOMEWORLDS HAVE THE RED EXCLAMATION POINTS ABOVE THEM? THEN IF SO, I FORGOT THE SYSTEM AND PLANET NAME BUT IN MY GAME IT HAS TWO CITIES!!! EXPLANATION ANYONE? Brambleclaw 22:41, 18 July 2009 (UTC)


 * The grox have so many colonies they forgot to defend the homeworld.

i have an idea. the developers probably made it so that it looks like The Grox took over other species homeworlds so that those were once other homeworlds but they were taken over. does that make sense to you? Taikwin.'

In my game the Grox Homeworld is called Megim. I conquered it, and now it's my base of operation for Grox extermination.--Liquid Ink 09:46, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

In my opinion, the grox have no homeworld, or at least not in the spore galaxy, and I don't think they naturally thrive on T0 planets, but instead Steve (who I think is in charge of intergalactic commerce) fitted thier empire whith the technology to help them survive in the other galaxy. Also, the grox have only attacked two of my colonies, you see, the closer a planet is to an empire, the more likeley it is to be attacked by it. Thankfully I can always rescue it because of an erily convinient wormhole, most of the time, my uber turret takes care of everything for me.--Miles 03:49, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

In my game the Grox homeworld is called Hoplus something... but i dont really remember i just passed it when i was racing for the center. Hoplus might be a ancronym of Hopeless... 10:34, March 9 Tuesday, 2010 (UTC)

LOL in my game it's "Nice", ironic huh? TyrannoFan 13:02, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

Grox. Evil or not?
Most of people think that grox are evil. They are not, as i think. They DO NOT attack you at first sight, if they were evil, they will be attacking empires just for fun. The other empires that attacked by grox simply attacked them. They simply very territorial, and do not trust strangers. How YOU think? Imperios 20:17, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Grox hates people because of this?Sporesauce_95 21:08 5 january 2010.

Perhaps the Grox take on that evil to protect the core, because they live on T0 planets thus they a scared of every race destroying them with their own Staff of Life. They destroyed my home planet Tarcus '''THEY ARE EVIL!!!!!!! '''. Wormulon 20:49, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

I prepared when i went to meet them, i sent back my level 5 ally ships, turned off my Mega auto blaster. Of course they have the -70 we distrust strangers thing that makes them Red smiley on you. Then i pad 400 k Sporebucks that made them Orange smiley on me then i went to do loads of missions for them. then i put embassies on several planets used the SHR for several minutes, i blew up a planet near their home. And after all that they where finnaly yellow smiley +25 on me :D. They never declared war on me, and they never trie to raid me Awesomesauce i never have to deal with them! 10:40, March 10, 2010. (UTC)

You attacked them if they do. If you give them 10000§, they are not attack you.

In a different game I allied with them but every other empire claimed war. Either way it is the Grox or the rest of the galaxy. Wormulon 21:31, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

But if you are neutral with them? Imperios 12:51, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

The first time I met them they destroyed my ship before I could attack. Once you meet them, attack them or not they will still raid and destroy your colonies. And thay will still shoot at your ship even if you are friends with them. Wormulon 13:51, 21 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually in all my games i'm never attacked by the Grox, you'll get a message from one of your allies early in space stage asking to help defend against a Grox attack, if you attack them then they'll continually raid your colonies, but if you just show up at the allies planet and let the Grox leave without attacking them you'll be fine.Ҵїҫэӌ Ҭӈә Ѕҥїʐʐɻє 19:23, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

I was at war with them right when I met them! When I opened the SETI and said "call off your fighter before I blast it into pieces!" they immediatley declared war! They are EVIL User:Sporefan102

Wow. You told them and that you would blow up one of their ships and they declared war on you? Wierd. 216.137.232.227 04:20, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

You were crazy enough to do that? You should always do the top one, because who could stand a chance against an empire with 2400 colonies? Sporefan102, you should not get into open war with them unless you are the omnipotent. Try again on your next game, because when you go to war with them, you can't go back out of it. robostuart@gmail.com 23:35, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

The Grox, I don't think they are evil. They won't attack your colonies unless you annoy them. My guess is that they may have had some trouble with the early empires at the center of the galaxy, causing them to distrust everyone. In their defense, they may have conquered those empires and that could have given them a bad reputation. So everyone decides to hate THEM. So maybe they are desperate for allies but simply do not trust anyone. On one of my saved games, I will get them allied, on one of them. Preferably one I use cheats for...71.120.42.89 05:33, 22 March 2009 (UTC)Dullstar

Perhaps the Grox are not really evil, but misunderstood, perhaps they are hiding something? If every species in the galaxy reaches the Galactic Core, the Grox become weak because they live on T0 planets. Wormulon 10:37, 22 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I think they are evil. In the diplomatic window, if you choose to know more about them, they will treat you very bad, saying how great they are and how disgusting they think our species is. Also, even if you aren't at war with them, they will attack you with all they got. They like to put fear in other empires, and attack them merciless. If that's not evil, make Maxis change the Dance With The Devil badge's description. OluapPlayer 14:21, 22 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Maxis created the Grox to be evil, Star Treck has its Borg, Star Wars has its Sith and Spore has its Grox. Wormulon 15:33, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

I believe that the Grox are not evil. On the contrary, they are afraid of an Empire destroying them. They are only so distrusting and guard the galactic core because they are horribly afraid of someone destroying them with the Staff of Life. Falcoz 05:00, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Well maybe the Grox are just ruled by a evil ruler but the normal grox are good.Jamesrules90 15:15, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

I always thought the Grox were created by someone or something to protect the Staff of Life. I mean making such a powerful tool easy to reach would be, frankly, stupid. Roxasora69 16:36, 7 April 2009 (UTC)


 * They are absolutely not evil. They are robots, bent on what they were "programmed" to do. However, their organic part may not be able to take over, or they just are made to be destroying machines, without any thought process, like a rock.

70.189.247.117 02:58, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

I thought that they made the implants bacause they wee too weak to survive normally. 72.35.124.149 03:07, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

I read something before about that the grox are around the centre guarding steve because he annoys the rest of the galaxy. i laughed when i read that but i don't think they are truly evil. they're junst doing their job

A computer isn't good or evil. It simply does what it is told. http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/1836/electronicassimilator1fq0.png -The Elite Mjs961 20:08, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Exactly. My theory is that the Grox were programed to hide the Staff of Life. YOUR EVERY DAY COMPUTER DOESN'T SHOUT AND SCREAM AT YOU AND GET A VIRIUS BECAUSE IT'S EVIL!??!!! The Grox were programed to do something and that's what they do. --Grox999 21:15, March 10, 2010 (UTC)Grox999

No they are evil (its story time yayz :p) In the furture people evole to space but everything was polluted (EArth i mean) so they started colonizing places. at that time everyone in the galaxy wuved eachother and OF COURSE humans ruin it! they met the aleins andThe created The books of chance,life,force etc. and the archtypes so then they archtypes disagred with eachothers philosophys and war broke alliences where lost planets destroyed. meanwhile humans made to the center of the galaxy where they met the species that would become the grox at the time they had no mech parts so they created a alleince and lived happily ever after....buuut that would be to easy humans poulloted and dropped to T-0 the soon to be grox creatures so they like anyone would be where ticked so the humans built life support sytems for them cant rember its name but the initels were G.R.0 but the prototypes kept failing G.R.o-121 etc. no one could rember the last model so they it was known as G.R.0-X (Grox) at the time the humans discovered the galatic core contained strange properties that could create life! thus leading to the staff of life the humans wanted to use it to fix the mistake they had made with the polluted planets but the grox who where now accustumed to their mecha half had relized how weak they were when they were fully organic and then grew to think of all life as so and grew to hate it when they learned of the staff of life a tool that could create life thing got veeeeeeery messy and they locked the staff with its remaining 42 charges in the galatic core.....Though i cant remeber why they didnt just blow it OO wait the HUMANS built steve and had him hide in the galatic core sorry=)-purpill 4/19/09

The little buggers are obviously bitter about something, probobly with Spode. My theory is thay wher once the Spode's favored race, but doupt began to spred throughout the empire. Soon hardly any of the Grox beleaved in the ways of Spode. The daeity was angered and changed them in to 'toxic' creatures, makeing many of them sufocate and die due to the air on thair planets. Not only that but he/she/it/they transformed the Grox's bodies in to thair current state (cause if you see there stats in there pure, un-cyborg formes, thay are realy weak, thay could not have advanced past creature stage like that) and left thair empire to crumble. The Grox being adaptable (unfortunetly, for us and our creations) replaced thair entire right halves with mechean inplants restoring, to a degree, ther former phisical prowess. Now, seviral thousand years since thair fall from grace, thay are bitter towords all life, from the time thay are born (hatched???) to the time thay die, thay look for little more than death, mostly to spite thair ex-god. Ta-dah Thats my theory^^ feel free to point out holes in my logic.

A computer can be TOLD to be evil, can it not? But who's telling them to be evil?Liquid Ink 14 August 2009

Actually, the Grox aren't robots, they are cyborgs. Tey may have some individual thought, which would make them evil. --Liquid Ink 05:46, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

THEY ARE PURE EVIL. IN the tribal stage, when I had 12 people, they wiped out half my tribe, and then I died because Lavendar village attacked me. Has anybody had the grox lazer you? I think it is a glitch. Nanospore 16:42, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

Well evil is a subjective concept, so I don't think we'll ever agree on if they are evil. But what we can agree on is that they are xenophobic, territorial, have little interest in diplomacy, and have a tremendous sense of superiority. We also know they will attack other species with little or no provocation, and they have apparently caused the extinction of sentient species in the past. As far as we can tell, these things are considered culturally acceptable by them (though we never speak with their ordinary people, only leaders... the everyday people could disagree but be oppressed by their rulers), so they would not see them as evil, but it's hard to sympathize with someone trying to kill your species. If you believe that evil lies in one's actions... yes, they're evil. ComradeJim270 01:45, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

A friend and I came up with the theory that they got tired of all those distress calls from their useless whiny neighbors, and just snapped. There won't be any more of those if everyone's DEAD. (Tell me you haven't thought about it, when one of your "allies" rings you up for the tenth time in as many minutes, asking you to drop everything and rush over to put down some sick animals or open a jar for them or whatever.) --StClair 04:54, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

I think that the Grox can only achieve true happiness through open combat and being a grouch, I mean, a player coud never achieve the hatred that the grox earned without forging an allience, but you could destroy any empire you want, the player's ship is the farari of the galaxy whith the most advanced weaponry ever; you could kill spode if you wanted. What I'm saying is, they aren't evil, they're just impossible to get along with.

Nearly all of the above is just opinion and not fact. The only real facts about the Grox, and whether they are evil or not, comes from the game itself. Here are quotes from some artifacts you can find in Spore. Stone of Life 5: "The Grox are the ultimate evil in the galaxy. They are machines that exist entirely outside of nature." Block of Chance Vol. 8: "The Grox are machines with absolutely no sense of humor! They destroy entire races and never offer an explanation of what it is that ticks them off!" Stone of Life 10: "Live inside nature, and oppose the Grox! That is the duty of every sentient being." Treb2466 19:29, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

I think, like the Grox page says, that they are only angry out of lonelyness. I mean, EVERY race, except yours if you ally with them, shuns them and attack them on sight, but you have the option of not doing so. They just want a friend... I think we should all ally with the grox then go throughout the galaxy re-allying with every race so we can befriend the Grox and not have a Galactic war. Laddaustein

There is no "Good and Evil." Only ice cream, and those to health-crazy to seek it. =D No, really. DaLucarayRox 20:08, January 10, 2010 (UTC)DaLucaray

Evil is a ponit of view i think the Grox could be put there by steve to guard the core so only the brightest and strongest could reach him so in a sense steve is the evil one but thats my opinon they could be traping steve their or they could be humans who knows but THEY ARE EVIL WHY WOULD THEY SING LIKE THAT.Evildxdie

Grox = Humans?
How can the Grox possibly be later versions of Humans? It's ridiculus (I hope I spelt that right.)--Liquid Ink 04:33, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

It is not, at least in my game (found humans near Sol in fact)! The idea is that humans dependance on technology meant we became cybogs, but its silly, because why would they not be around Earth? And secondly the Grox aren't exactly human looking, and finally, more evidence points to them being created as an experiment. Speculation should bot be in the main article, it should be either removed, or placed under a speculation header. 04:21, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

the reason they don't look like humans could be from evolution or devolution. and as you said they used cybornetic implants to survive. and i reckon they could be humans and that steve is the last original human so they trap him.

Yes, maybe the Grox were made by an experiment. But made by who? Humans!!, possibly. When Humans created the Grox the experiment got out of hand and they (Grox) became evil. Fought humans on Earth, but were not able to defeat them. So the Grox tried to flush the humans from Earth, they lowered the T-score to T-1, then the humans stopped them. But Earth was uninhabitable (for humans). After the war, Grox went to the galactic core to see whats there. But Earthlings realized that they made a mistake by creating the Grox, so they evolved to a higher spirituality, thus becoming Spodlings. Darkjedi327

I point to the belief that the Spore time was before we humans, that is why the T-level is low, Grox could no be humans, they look more like frightened demons, I cannot see humans suffer such a degradation.  The Valader,  Talk/  /Contributions  20:01, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

Or, they could have been created by Steve, as a test for empires, so only the brightest and most powerful could meet him. 22:10, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

that last ones a good idea. but havn't you ever looked at the badges related to the grox? there are symbols very similar to human letters. maybe steve wants to repopulate earth so he can be on the new sims box! thats why he offered the timeshare! - Stallord_D

I think that Humans might have been in this, but they didn't put it in. Grox wise, I just think they are an evil reflection of Humans. Xhodocto3546 18:07, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm... mauybe the Humans created the Grox as their sort of weapon and while they were testing it the Grox just destroyed the unprepared humans? Also how do you know the human was made by Maxis?--Technobliterator 21:13, January 28, 2010 (UTC)

The theory that Grox are humans is far fetched. Grox being created by humans and then destroying them? Pure speculation but a lot more likely. Sporeblade 22:51, January 28, 2010 (UTC)

Personally, i think that the grox become humans eventually, but this game is set b4 human time. Think about it. They are hated by all the universe, so they alter themselves so that they dont look like grox or sound like grox. Unfortunately they still think like grox and that why humans are so war-like. That would also explain why their letters look like Greek writings. They could be the first version of human, and find earth as the perfect planet. Not to far from the center, but far enough that they wont be noticed. Signed: Sporemaster1

War
Am I the only person here that is at war with The Grox?Falcoz 00:39, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

I m in war with them too. But I use 4 empires to battle the Grox. First one is my own empire (with more than 400 colonies around my homeworld), second one is my other empire (both of these empires have I created and went through all the stages) 3rd and 4th are the local empires (which are in fact very helpful). All in all, to hell with the Grox. Even our combined forces can t destroy them (I m using the standard warfare angains them).

I'm hitting them with everything I've got, terraforming, weaponry etc.  13:54, February 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, so am I. Here's how it happened: I was heading towards the Galactic Core when I got a transmission from the Grox. The said something about me wanting to turn back or something. I, naturally, wasn't scared. I kept heading towards the Core. Eventually I got another transmission, that was when the Grox declared war on me. And I never even entered one of their star systems! Well, That's the Grox for you.Falcoz 20:15, February 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * My war with them went like this - I "carved" out a safe route (combining my top three empires), so my other empires could reach the core more easily. And then I used the Staff of Life on their home world (and they screamed)!   21:27, February 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * Never be at war with the Grox. Bad,bad things happen. Exactly why I allied--Technobliterator 19:10, February 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Best never to ally either. I allied with them in one of my saved games (the Hogomoth), and then I lost my alliance with the Grox and now I have a galaxy of empires with a thirst for blood.   20:29, February 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * I found it fairly easy as soon as I'd allied, they just killed everything that came close my ship, and it's easy not to lose the alliance, if you do, just don't save the game.--Technobliterator 19:00, February 12, 2010 (UTC)

I have an idea! Mabye humans finnaly met grox in the future, and gave them robotic implants so that they would protect humans from other empires! That Explains why they want to kill every space faring empire in sight, but still have left earth (Which should be close to the galaxy's core) intact!- Pie4pigs

Grox Theories
There is a section on the page about Grox, Steve, and Humans. Do we really need it?--Liquid Ink 02:04, March 14, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for highlighting this. But since there so much info, I will stick it on a forum. 02:08, March 14, 2010 (UTC)

Edit wars and semi-protection
Should we semi-protect the Grox article so only registered users can edit it? I know its a popular page on this wiki, but there are many edits that are either non-constructive, vandalism, or simply speculative and fictional. 18:44, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

I highly recommend that to be done! Its one of the largest pages on the wiki, knowledge must be protected at all cost! Sporesauce '' 95 07:16, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

Right, I will semi-protect this article, now its been vandalised several times recently. 22:48, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

Are the Grox TRULY evil?
I'm not sure- they could have been less social, and they took that to an extreme. They also could just be trying to show that they're 'strong'- they got their robotic implants because they were weak before, right? --PabloDePablo 16:08, March 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * They were bullied because they were weak, so they made themselves strong, and now they bully everyone else. I think they ARE evil - for example, they are always demeaning you. When they give you a mission to attack another Empire, they'll tell you at the end that you targeted the wrong empire due to their "clerical error", as though there was nothing to it. 16:49, March 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * They also socialize real bad, i mean who says "Being useful for the Grox is good for your survival.", thats like they completely denies that you exist. They even act mean when i allied them, for example when i bought my first Grox colony to use the grox buildings, they said something like, "We are going to crush another empire and we dont have time with >>System name<< so you shall buy it, bzzz." and then when i pay about 5 million to buy the system they say "The system is not worth the price you have offered!" but i still get the system :P..they are so weird... Gablic.png Sporesauce '' 95 12:10, March 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * Also, who finds joy in the destruction of planets? 13:50, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, but it might just be that they think of any other species as 'annoying' since they want to destroy planets- if I were a small, cyborg alien-thing who destroys planets for joy, I would be annoyed if other alien-things kept screaming "OH NO ITS THOSE AGGRESSIVE CYBORG ALIEN-THINGS THEIR GONNA ATTACK TAKE COVER GET THE TERRAFORMING TOOLS AND UBER TURRETS OH NO OH NO OH NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" every time I came to a system to see if it had valuable things to take, like money, rares, or other things. --PabloDePablo 21:36, March 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * Read your paragraph. "if I were a small, cyborg alien-thing who destroys planets for joy," The fact that they destroy planets for joy is proof of their evil. 00:48, March 30, 2010 (UTC)

"Also, who finds joy in the destruction of planets?"

- User:Fenrakk

I do.--Technobliterator Techno's Talk 17:20, March 31, 2010 (UTC)


 * YOU SICK PERSON. 17:26, March 31, 2010 (UTC)


 * And you, sir, is a very personal discretion! Why call people sick for doing something YOU have never seen, maybe he abducts all the species on the planet THEN destroys it, to prevent destruction of the species lol.. Gablic.png Sporesauce '' 95 10:15, April 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * He's still stealing a planet and causing chaos for his own personal joy. Don't we have Chaos heretics for that? (+1 for 40k reference) 14:30, April 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * Of course I let them live. Why would I just blow them up for no reason? Obviously, I abduct them, then blow the planet up, then give them to the Loron to eat! Naturally, the Galot don't approve.--TechnobliteratorTess.PNG Techno's Talk 09:38, April 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * There must be plenty of morals we're breaking here. 13:53, April 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * I usually abduct some species from planets i destroy too, cause i need to fill ecosystems you know, ... i miss meeting empires larger than me... only the Grox are (A BIT) stronger than me... Gablic.png Sporesauce '' 95 16:58, April 3, 2010 (UTC)

Taking over the Grox with the power of economy
Well theres not many ways of destroying the grox while trying to keep a good relationship and an alliance with them, one way is to buy all Grox systems. Im trying to do it, but i have to cheat heavily... any other way to destory the gorx without breaking the alliance and get killed? Sporesauce '' 95 12:30, April 16, 2010 (UTC)

Get all your empires allied, and then get each one attacking different Grox regions is an easy option. Or, uplift nearby creatures, make them powerful and then ally with them. Its hard to get them to do it, but allies can attack them for you. 12:47, April 16, 2010 (UTC)

Grox image
I uploaded a clearer, less JPGish grox image for the infobox. TyrannoFan 12:58, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

Cool way to help destroy grox.
Has anyone tried putting bands of other empires between you and the grox as a way to increase the number of attacks yu can use at once? What i did was i went to the core and destroyed several grox colonies around it and then, using the staff of life, i seeded the planets taken, colonized one, and put monoliths on the rest. Boom, in about 10-20 minutes i have a bunch of new allies to help destroy the grox. I have since wiped out a large channel of them and set up small newer empires to defend it from re-acclimation. I no longer need to fear them as a new game, i can just use the channel, and when i do i set up new colonize near grox-space and start to attack them with he newer saved games. It works it just takes a really long time, and a lot of $$$. I needed to cheat in order to do this. Any thoughts on this?

Well, its a classic way to get rid of the Grox, personally i try to buy out all systems, its takes even longer time than yours but it will eventually get rid of the Grox, i have already bought all systems 1-10 parsecs around the Core. 13:28, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

I just get really rich, buy lots of superweapons and just blast them from existence! 13:38, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

When I go into Grox-Space, I just go to their systems and blow their planets up with Planet Busters, those things make the Grox really angry but it works for me.

P.S. I cheat too.--Omnipotent Intergalactic Traveler, Captain Beary 19:01, May 8, 2010 (UTC)

If you are allied with the grox, and fanatical frenzy their planet, it won't have an effect as it is a "social" tool and they like breaking the galactic code. However, it doesnt work with gravitational wave --2401 Pagent--The Beliver--The Pwner--Saradomin ROCKZ!!!!!!! 04:34, May 8, 2010 (UTC)

I like to ally, then destroy. :P TyrannoFan - 17:17, May 13, 2010 (UTC)

Skeleton
Should we add a skeleton of the Grox? 20:19, May 31, 2010 (UTC)




 * Nah, it's fan-made, and hardly relevant. 20:23, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

carnivore or omnivore?
It is a proven fact that the grox are omnivores! read this! its the absolute truth! ::: http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/list/19421.page    it was approoved by maxis an hour ago!


 * Where was it approved by Maxis? Maybe I missed it, but I don't see any evidence of that anywhere in the topic, or anywhere else for that matter. 07:16, June 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * Bull-Spode. LiquidInk said it.

"This is all fiction. You can believe it if you want, I don't mind, I encourage free will. But I don't believe this. In my brilliant fiction, the Grox are expirements made by Gar' Skuther, made from small creatures called the Grob."

- LiquidInk

08:43, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

You're quoting me? Thank you! 11:48, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

A way to prove that the Grox is a carnivore or omnivore is it's mouth. Does it belong to a carnivore or an omnivore? Lucario of the Gods (talk 12:00, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

It's a meat nomming mouth! 12:04, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

guys, I asked maxis! they said, they were omnivores in creature stage, and used, a modded dorca mouth, you know how they use MODS dont you

like grox part mods????? if you dont know that your creepy, and cute! lo, i want the parts pack ;(

Wait, I just thought of something. Neither plants or animals can live on T0 planets unless their have been atmospheric tools used. If you use atmospheric tools on a Grox planet, the Grox die. So my theory is that they don't eat at all! Lucario of the Gods (talk 12:19, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

Also where is the proof?! Lucario of the Gods (talk 12:19, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

Dude, Dorca is a Carnivore mouth, therefore the Grox are carnivores. No offence, but anyone can figure that out. Stop lying. I beg you. 12:21, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

have you ever heard of emailing, spore, go to spore.com, press help and click "email us"

dude, maxis can change carnivore to omivore, or carnivore if they want to.

Wait, I just thought of something. Neither plants or animals can live on T0 planets unless their have been atmospheric tools used. If you use atmospheric tools on a Grox planet, the Grox die. So my theory is that they don't eat at all! Lucario of the Gods (talk 12:19, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

thats noobish.

'''OH MY GOD, DON'T YOU GET IT?! CARNIVORE MOUTHS, THEY ARE CARNIVORES. WHERE IN THE INGAME STATS DOES IT SAY OMNIVORE. WHERE?!!?!?!??!''' 12:25, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, got angry. 12:25, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

when i emailed maxis, they sed yes they were omnivores, and bla bla bla ( old people music turns on) and they gave me that thing and said, read this if you want to find out more.

"OH MY GOD, DON'T YOU GET IT?! CARNIVORE MOUTHS, THEY ARE CARNIVORES. WHERE IN THE INGAME STATS DOES IT SAY OMNIVORE. WHERE?!!?!?!??!"

- TyrannoFan 12:30, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

Right, I'm ending this. Show us the e-mail Maxis sent or we will end this discussion with the Grox being carnivores. Lucario of the Gods (talk 12:30, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

i just emailed them are situation, so they can say whos right, cuz i kinda deleted the other one....... oops,i will post it here as soon as i get the email from maxis. i gave our theries. like carnivore mouth thing and suck. im sorry, but i beleive that the grox are omnivores, you can beleive what you want, so can i., let their be peace, between us all.

For me they're carnivores. For everyone else, they're carnivores. 3-1. We win. 12:38, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

ok, well, hey, i used to beleive that they were carnivores, but my mind has been changed, no reason to be upset, i have an omnivoreus grox an one of my planets, not a mod.

You may have an omnivorous Grox on your planet, but the real Grox are carnivores. Lucario of the Gods (talk 12:42, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

wheres Your proof.

In the game, it says Carnivore. There. There's your Eff-ing proof. 12:44, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

well, i guess mines glitched, i didnt try to make world war 590768976 im just saying what i think, theres nothing bad about that is there?

If the opinion's incorrect, depending on the opinion, yes it can be bad. Stop now. The Grox are carnivores. End. No more. 12:48, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

CAN EVERYONE STOP THIS NONSENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ITS DRIVING ME NUTS, STOP LEAVING COMMENTS ON MY MESSAGE BOARD, AND STOP THIS MF NONSENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU ARE THE MOST ANNOYING PEOPLE I HAVE EVER MET!!!!!!!!! CANT YOU BE QUIET FOR 10 MINUTES???

Can't you? Now, stop. 12:51, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

And beleive me, this is not the end, im gonna post the email from maxis when i get it. ok???????????????/ happy now,??? anmai ouyai areia ethai ostmai annoyingai eoplepai iai everai etmai!

pig latin, read that.

-_- ENOUGH. Or else I'll delete this discussion. 12:54, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

tyrannofan, you rock, i wasent meaning you :D

Ah well, go ahead and post the E-Mail so I can nitpick it to death.

i deleted tho OLD email, so i asked them again, they didnt answer yet. im sorry for getting mad, adn i just wanted to see if others beleived, what i beleive. sorry for world war 679860760686

That's not even close. Do you know how many world wars the internet has? It has approximately 2954430294029334.23x10^345 world wars. Nearly infinite. 13:01, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

im in 1. people I got the email from maxis!!!!!!!!!! they said NONE of us are right!

In order to prove your theoy we must have you post a copy of the email do to the fact that if we chage the Grox to omnivores we might misslead users if you were wrong. Evildxdie is awesome.

leaders?
should we post some information about their leaders? because, i know some of their leaders.

anyone? if no one answers, ill do it


 * How do you know who their leaders are? 06:16, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

oh, you see, this may sound silly to you, but I have studied the grox enough to know wich leaders, made by people are fake, and i emailed maxis. and they said theyll tell me them soon. but, i already know some of them -


 * Well, if there's no official confirmation that you can cite, then we probably can't put it on the page, but if your reasoning is good enough... so, who do you think the Grox leaders are and why have you come to the conclusion that they are the Grox leaders?
 * Also, just remember to sign your posts on talk pages with four tildes (~) so we know who's posted the comment. You can tell by looking in the page history or, if the comment was recent, the recentchanges, but that often takes a while so it's still always better to sign your posts. 15:21, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

one sec. i just got the email back from maxis. :)

oh, sorry im new to disscussions (luhjgh)

so like this? (Luhjgh 15:36, June 6, 2010 (UTC))


 * Yes, but you don't need the brackets. Just the tildes. 15:39, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

ok, maxis, told me their first 3 leaders. the first was groc, the evil leader, zadok, the diplomat, and groxidarkus, the corrupted leader. (Luhjgh 15:40, June 6, 2010 (UTC))

ok but first post a copy of the email so we may see that the following is true and we may add it to the page Evildxdie is awesome.


 * And some sort of official, easily-available confirmation from Maxis that the e-mail is genuine, but I'm not sure how you could get that. 05:34, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

A you seem to have gotten all your info from this page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/list/19421.page Evildxdie is awesome.


 * Sorry Luhjgh, but wikis must have sourced infomation when it comes to this stuff, saying you have got emails does not prove it. If it was written on a forum by Maxis then maybe.  We have policy of no speculation, and when it comes to speculation like this it needs a reference.  And as for emails, how do you know it is really Maxis?   11:47, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

Grox - Scientific Point of View
Note: This wholething is already off-topic. It's not like I can make it ANY worse.

Okay, so here's what we KNOW:
 * Cyborg
 * Lives on T0
 * Guards Core
 * Are mentioned in every aspect of the space stage game.
 * Have had only one worth opponent.

Here's OPINION:
 * Are evil

Here is something mentioned in the Stones of.... um, whatever the Scientist stones are!

Stones of (blank) Number 9 It is unknown whether the Grox are keeping something out of the Core, or keeping something in the Core.

Not actual quote but the general idea.

Okay, to shut the complete NITWITS up who are cluttering up the wiki with crap about the Grox being Omnivores snd whatnot, consider:

A Carnivorous creature cannot survive on a T0 planet because their is no food except for being canibals. An Omnivorious creature also has no food on a T0 planet.

Answer to the final question: Grox import their food from other races or they are caniballistic. Either way, it doesn't matter whether they are omnivore or carnivore, they definately eat meat stuffs.

Alternate Answer: They could be electricavores, meaning they feed off of electricity, since their abdomen, aka stomach, is robotic.

This is more likely because they [appear] to hate ALL organics, even plants. Hmm... they believe they are supperior to organics but it NEVER SAYS THEY HATE SPODE!!!!! If they really hated Spode, then they would reveal his real identity to the masses to spite him.

Good day to you sirs! Mam007 02:06, June 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * 1.) They ARE evil. Evil beings hate every one and try to destroy everyone.
 * 2.) THE GAME STATS SAYS IT'S A CARNIVORE. THIS IS A WIKI. IT IS SAYING FACTS, AND NOT THEORIES.
 * 3.) Why do Zealots hate them, then?


 * 16:22, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

Did you not read the God blasted title? If they are carnivores, HOW DO THEY FIND THE FOOD? THEY KILL ANYONE WHO WOULD GIVE THEM FOOD.

Zealots hate me when I play as a Zealot. So you're point is moot.

And all Archtypes hate them to a degree, and hate is an opinion and a relative term. If there was no love, then we wouldn't know what hate was. Therefore hate is relative.

Okay, you may ASSUME I know nothing about spore and/or the real world, but you are wrong on every point.

Anything you say, I can counter effectively.

And you're a total jerk, at least on talk pages. Mam007 16:06, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

I'm a jerk? Good for you.

Why do you not get my point? The game stats say CARNIVORE. THEY ARE CARNIVORES. This is NOT about theories.

Since when the Spode did I say you don't know nothing about spore?

And yes, you are actually right with the Zealot part. I just really disagree with the not carnivore thing. 16:11, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

BTW, I'm not usually so much of a 'jerk', but I am when I get angry. 16:19, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

OK
Look people, this is a Wiki. The point of a Wiki is to provide facts. It's not a place where you can place theories. It has to be a fact that is in the media that the article is about. So all those saying "NOT CARNIVORES", please go in the game and see that in the STATS IT SAYS PLAIN AND CLEAR: CARNIVORE. Is it really that hard?

They aren't evil? The game looks like it's trying to say they're evil so why are some people saying they aren't?!

They don't hate Spode? THEN WTF ARE ZEALOTS SO ANGRY WITH THEM?!!?!?!? I know they like to destroy everyone but still, from my time playing the game, Zealots DEMAND that you agree with their religion!

The Grox are from Humans?! Seriously?! The only reason ANYTHING about the Grox is similar to the humans IS BECAUSE THE MAKERS OF THE GAME ARE HUMANS.

I'm sorry if I got angry. I'm just sayin', this is a wiki, NOT a theory website. 16:29, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

Well evil is a ponit of view and zealots hate everybody maybe they just belive in somthing else. Evildxdie


 * About the hating Spode part: actually, I don't think the game does say that they hate Spode, and there are plenty of reasons why Zealots could hate the Grox for other reasons - as the Scrolls of Faith say, "they are a blasphemy in machine form", which sounds more like the Zealot hatred is Grox is more a matter of the Zealots' own beliefs rather than the Grox' opinions. Whatever we say about why Zealots hate Grox, even if we just say that the Grox hate Spode, is also just a theory.
 * And yes, evil is a point of view. But being warmongering, vain, indiscriminately xenocidal, violently overprotective of their territories to the point of trying to murder anybody who stays close to their systems for too long, etc... is what most people would consider to be evil, so they are evil in that sense. Keeping a neutral point of view, however, would mean that we shouldn't explicitly say that they are evil in the article, apart from as a note mentioning that the Grox being evil was Maxis's intention.
 * But yes, other than that, your rant is completely accurate and justified. 16:42, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

The game may say that the Grox are carnivores, but that is illogical as they destroy everything organic via Planet Busters or something. They can only live in T0, so nothing to hunt. And the idea that they evolved from humans is impossible. They may have polluted their own planet and evolved to live like it, but they bare resemblences to Earth rodents. Us humans evolved from ape-like ancestors, not rodents. However, all mammals evolved from a common ancestor. So perhaps the Grox are either:


 * Illogical creatures built by Maxis
 * Creatures that evolved strangely
 * Creatures that were transformed by another bad species
 * Creatures from a different Universe

Those are the options we are faced with. Lucario of the Gods (talk 16:48, June 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * AGAIN, THIS IS A WIKI. WHY DOES NO ONE GET THE POINT?! 16:54, June 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * @Lucario: The Grox are naturally carnivores. We don't know if they've moved on to being powered by electircity running through their cybernetics, or whether they feed on artificially-produced meat-substitute-like protein products, or if they get their energy from some other source. They can still have the body of a carnivore even if they don't eat once-living meat like other carnivores do. And they almost certainly didn't evolve from humans, but as with their other aspects, there are plenty of other things that could have happened and we can only guess as to which option might actually have been the case.
 * @TyrannoFan: Yes, I understand. I agree with you; I'm just saying that there are other options that could be the case for all of these theories so that we shouldn't really be guessing about them for this page. 17:02, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

Tyranno is still correct, true, there are mysteries and speculation to be solved, but this is an encyclopedia, that means facts only. We have places for speculation theories, they are the forums, or speculation could be written on a specific article. 17:05, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

@Ghelæ Sorry, I was saying that at Lucario. Sorry for getting angry.

OK, ENOUGH WITH THOSE STUPID 'THEY ARE NOT CARNIVORES THING'. THE GAME SAYS THEY'RE CARNIVORES, THEY ARE FRIGGEN CARNIVORES. FORGET LOGIC. THIS IS A GAME. THESE THEORIES ARE FOR THE FORUMS. INFACT, HERES THE FORUM FOR GROX THEORIES. 16:16, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Archive
When should this talk page be archived? 17:03, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Whatever, getting archived. 17:12, June 9, 2010 (UTC)