User talk:Ghelæ

Welcome to my talk page!

I've decided that I will now reply to messages posted on my talk page on my talk page and not on the talk page of the user who posted the message. Well, usually. Likewise, if I leave a message on your talk page, I will keep that page on my watchlist so you can reply on your talk page and you don't have to reply on mine. That way, conversations are easier to follow.

Welcome!
Again, welcome! -- Morgoth1145 (Talk) 06:40, November 8, 2009

Lisencising

 * Yeah just so you know, I'm pretty sure that there's a template for user-created stuff... Yeah it says "I took this picture myself" when you're uploading or lisencising. I'd use that one, if you want to mark it. Otherwise Ose might delete it. Captian Zaco

Invitation for collaboration


Greetings

''' I have been working on a fiction story, and I would like you to collaborate, I'm sending this invitation for other users, to collaborate on this story, hope you can join, don't send reply, just write if yes or no here at this page, hope you say yes...

Have a nice day

 The Valader,  Talk/  /Contributions  23:38, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

Hinkles
The creatures that you call 'Hinkles' appeared on pictures of Spore since 2005. They have four eyes.--Liquid Ink 10:09, February 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh, yeah, I forgot that I could have looked at those. Thanks for that! 10:46, February 16, 2010 (UTC)

Zazane Fiction
I have just finished a four-part fiction on the Zazane. If you want to read it, go to the Zazane page and look up "History" in the contents box. Also, sorry about the Zarkhator thing. Lucario of the Gods 15:14, May 1, 2010 (UTC)Lucario of the Gods


 * I know; I read through the history not too long after you'd posted the parts in your user blog. And about the Zarkhator page - it's fine. To be fair, I should have reverted the IP edit when I first saw it instead of just leaving it there for a while. 15:29, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

Is it alright of you to add a quote from one of your creatures about the Zazane in the "Quotes from Other Empires" part of the Zazane page? Lucario of the Gods 15:34, May 1, 2010 (UTC)Lucario of the Gods


 * My species, the Empire, is not part of the same reality (I don't mean "universe", I mean entire reality) as the main SporeWiki fiction. Once I've finished most of the Empire's fiction (or if more people ask me), then I'll probably make an "alternate reality" version of the Empire, and then I'll be able to make up some quotes from them for the Zazane. 16:33, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

Well, the Zazane did manage to break in from another Universe in the Multiverse, but REALITY is entirely different! I suppose you are right. Lucario of the Gods 16:35, May 1, 2010 (UTC)Lucario of the Gods

DCP Civil War
Hey, Ghelae, is there a DCP Civil War on your side of reality? In fact, is there actually a DCP on your side? Lucario of the Gods 08:16, May 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * No, I'm pretty sure there's no DCP at all... at least, not anywhere in the Empire's region of space. Perhaps elsewhere in the universe (it's a big universe, after all), but I haven't even decided on what's outside of the Empire's home galaxy yet. Really, the two realities are almost completely different, with only a few similarities. 08:20, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

So no Zazane in your region of space then? Lucario of the Gods 08:22, May 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * No, no Zazane. If there are, then they're just a nondescript small empire that's probably currently part of the Third Federation preparing for a nearly-hopeless war against the Empire, so they'll be nothing like the Zazane in your reality. 08:25, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

You should be honoured to fight the Zazane! I bet that in your reality, they are just a petty crime family. Over in my reality, they are warlords and extremely charming, as they have made many allies and betrayed some of them. What is the Third Federation? Lucario of the Gods 08:30, May 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, you're probably right about what they're like in my reality. There's no Umbrux in my reality, either.
 * The Third Galactic Federation... well, it's a long story. I've written about it on another page, but I'll write it here too. To put it as short as I can: Several decades ago, Imperial scientists discovered that all lifeforms in their galaxy had the same origin, as primitive organisms seeded across the galaxy billions of years ago by an long-extinct race. Due to a combination of xenocidal instinct and scientific curiosity, they decided to wipe out all other empires in their galaxy in order to allow some completely alien life to develop. So they did.
 * Over the next few decades, several new empires appeared - some naturally, some artificially. The Empire, now the most powerful civilisation in the galaxy, imposed various regulations on them in order to limit any influence they might have had on potential future alien evolution. These laws, many empires felt, were too restricting, so they formed an alliance in rebellion. They, along with space pirates whose civilisations were wiped out by the Empire many years before, are currently preparing to fight a full-scale war against the Empire. 08:45, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I missed it, anyway, I've replied on your empires talk page. 16:04, May 14, 2010 (UTC)

Hunter Class Pic
That picture is brilliant, thanks for making it! Unfortunately my computer does not have the correct graphic card to allow high graphics however I will be getting one for my Bday.

-Um2k9 13:18 16 May 2010 UTC

Downloadable NPGs
Hey, could you tel me how to include a downloadable NPG of a creature (the Ravenrii) in its page? Thx -- The   The Mushrum King  06:58, May 22, 2010 (UTC)

So it IS just an image, then?

Bored
Yo, Ghelae, I'm kinda bored. How bout we have a conversation. You start the topic. Lucario of the Gods (talk 16:07, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

DAMN!! How bout we talk about the......um......Zazane or something? Lucario of the Gods (talk 16:14, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

Not just yet. However, I'm thinking of killing off their current leader in the Ramvelkys War. Lucario of the Gods (talk 16:18, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

Re:Wargames
Sorry about my inactivity, I have been rather busy with school work, so I haven't had too much time to spare, and if I do, I'm usually playing videogames or something. I might have some time to spare this week for the Wargames, but we'll have to see, as I have a bunch of presentations for a bunch of final projects this week. And then, next week, I have a bunch of finals, and then the school year will be over for me, which will of course open up a lot of time to do stuff. :P

| The Randomness | Talk | Blog 20:04, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

Error correction
I though I corrected it hahaha, sorry, its just that I was just passing by around and I was in an audio conference with a friend, I'm delivering some work in school, so I'm doing things extremely fast, but again... thanks for the help n__n ~ talk) VofValar 19:58, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Hell Explained


Here is the diagram of Hell. The Upper Planes (desolate part of Hell, small populated zones). As you see, the Circles are not infinite (but at a radius larger than many universes put together). Hope this helps. Xho 15:43, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

The Necropolis is Circle 5. Xho

Fiction tips
I saw the comment you left on my blog, and yes I do mean Sporewiki fiction. I also need to know how to get stuff under namespaces. I already know what things go under what namespace, but I need to know how to get things under them. Leave any comments/tips on my talk page or blog. -M480 02:08, June 11, 2010 (UTC) OK, so you just name the page Creature:Example? I'm just making sure.M480 13:05, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

Creating pages
I need to know how to make pages. Reply on my talk page or blog.-M480 23:42, June 22, 2010 (UTC)

ISSA
The DCP ships would have arrived anywhere between 3 days to infinitly fast depending on how much mass the Tachyon field clashed with (tachyons are theoretical particles that can only travel faster than the speed of light, and are thought to speed up when they collide with things or lose mass, since the tachyonic shift drives work like a tachyon, they follow the same principle and subspace weapons don't work on shift drives). Anyways, I've already contacted Shadowwalkers, I suppose its up to him to update its page, I don't whether he wants other users to edit it or not. Maybe I shall send another message, since Shadowwalkers might not have read it. 14:53, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

Wargames
Oops, I had almost forgotten about it, sorry. We can now start, finally. | The Randomness | Talk | Blog 16:23, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

Incoming Transmission from the ISSA
The page has been updated to reflect the recent changes. Any changes that affect the ISSA can be added on to the page by anyone if I don't do so within 2-3 hours. Along with the changes, a message-board has been added as per your suggestion.

Shadowalkers 19:53, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

RE: Girdo Aid
Hey, Ghelae! I have created this picture of a size comparison between the Liberator and the Premier, is this accurate?- 16:31 29 June 2010 UTC

I see, well thanks for the input!

RE: Rubidium
I thought it sounded familiar! I changed all the instances of Rubidium back to Rubindium. I'm running on zero hours of sleep, so it's no wonder I didn't catch it. Thanks for pointing it out to me, I wouldn't have known otherwise. I thought I was being clever... Ruby; rubidium?

Shadowalkers 22:05, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

Wargames Question
In the Wargames article, you started your first part stating that the vessels started out on an open, empty desert. This means that it would take place in an atmosphere of a planet/planetoid. I was thinking that it would be in space, but I forgot to mention that until after you made your addition. I could change that, with your permission of course. I'm about to make my own addition from my iPod Touch, which should prove to be interesting. I would also like you to check out a blog entry of mine that addresses the issue of missing, outdated, and low quality images that appear in many places on SporeWiki. Here is a link. | The Randomness | Talk | Blog 01:33, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

Re Intergalactic War
Thank you, I am very busy at the moment with different things across the wiki, so thanks for offering to write about the Girdo involvement. Thanks!

- 19:24 1 July 2010 UTC

Yes actually, I will create a large battle soon with most of the participant empires and LiquidInks Zarni are planning to aid the Cognatus also, when I create the first part of this battle you can write about the Girdos aid if you wish, if not I can write about it.

16:40 3 June 2010 UTC

Time
Hi, I was really impressed by that comment in the blog. Could I request you expand on the Time page please? Just because you're great at that stuff. Please don't remove my content, just reword it if it's too confusing and ask me if even you're confused!-- 20:43, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

URC Fleet
Hey Ghelae! I was wondering if you could make an image of the URC Fleet with the following ships


 * 2 Liberator Class
 * 4 Legacy Class
 * 2 Sabre Class
 * 1 Allegiance Class

And maybe some new Vipers flying around it, I would do it myself but my computer has terrible graphics and you make brilliant images! It is alright if you don't want to! - 03:00 7 July 2010 UTC

Yes, can you use the Mk VIIs

Hey, That picture is brilliant, thank you so much!- 21:59 7 July 2010 UTC

Space Battle Pics
Hey, I tried to take some space battle pics for the first time (noob), but whenever I tried, I always had the planet in my shot, no matter what. How do you fix that? The  Jovar  17:42, July 7, 2010 (UTC)

Time (again!)
Thanks for sorting it out for time anomalies, could you please rewrite the rest of the page (not Time anomalies) & expand it, again without removing information? Just it's a bit confusing for some-- 12:13, July 11, 2010 (UTC)

Religions
You missed the Source. 10:16, July 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I left it out originally because it doesn't seem to be worshipped in Space Stage unlike the others, but you're right - I should probably include it anyway. 10:28, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

Super Evil Alliance
I think you might be interested in this: the great Alliance between: The Grox (And their servants: Dronox, Insectrox, ect.), Gar' skuther (And his genetic Expiriments), Zarkhator (And his imps), along with the Darkspore. A force to be reckoned with? 07:44, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

I said that to you because I thought you might be interested. 08:38, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

Using "the" instead of "a". Fair point. ... We've broken your policy thing up the top. 08:51, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

Any ideas of what to call this alliance? 09:07, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

I'll ask other users. 09:18, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

Re:Ship sizes
Hey, the ship size of a Quetzalcoatl Class is 239 meters. And good tip, I will at the ship sizes right away at the Space ship page of Rambo Nation. Nice story with the missle battles. Really looking forward to the "New Evil" Empire and how it's true intentions are (also with other hostile empires already found at the wikia). Greetz, Dinoman82 09:57, August 1, 2010 (UTC)

Awesome image and storyline, really really cool. Is it ok by you to put that event on the Rambo Nation page? That way I can link the coming war at it. I also added you as buddy in the Sporepedia, so I can dowload your creations, hope that is ok with you. Greetz, Dinoman82 11:19, August 1, 2010 (UTC)

Re Imperial Civil War
Hey, is it alright if I join the Civil War? The URC is able to send 30 Star Destroyers to help the Girdo, if you have any ideas on what role they can play, ask me!- 14:45 2 August 2010 UTC

You have a great story, and thanks for letting me join. Unfortunatly due to the Intergalactic War, the URC will only be able to send 2 Liberator Class under the command of Supreme Admiral Nagala and Admiral Lohekkin. The rest of the ships are mainly Sabre, Allegiance and Valkyrie Classes, while the latter are considered small ships by URC standards, they pack a very heavy punch. If you want the Mortalitas to help the Tokzhalan, they would be glad to, their goals are to conquer and enslave as opposed to annihilate? Is that compatible to yours?

Thanks for informing me about my signature, and I will correct the error now!

This is the Valkyrie Class, they are light frigates used for mainly recon missions, but they have light ship to ship missiles. The Fleet that I will send will be commanded by URNC staff, but they can be upgraded by the Girdo scientists. Also what Tier are the Tokzhalan?

The Mortalitas are actually active more in the Quadrant Galaxies including Cyrannus, but they do have many colonies in the Milky Way. So I suppose that would be a good way for them to meet.

Re:Battle of Earth
Hey, for the buildings, go to the VERY back of my Sporepedia page, and you'll see some (bad) replicas of real world buildings. That's what buildings i use in game for my empire (the Empire State Building mostly). As for administrative building to destroy? Hmm, i would use the Woolworth Building I made.

As for the Interdictor, I should be able to share it by the end of the day (i live in Alabama, so you cold easily be asleep by the time i get the chance to). And it would be cool if you Imperators and Interdictors side-by-side in the battle.

Hope that answers your questions! The  Jovar  15:05, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

The Normandy vessels are not very long and the Frigate vessels are smaller, way smaller then the Normandy vessels. All I could say is that the Normandy and Frigate vessels are way bigger then BNSC colonies.  BNSCLeader  18:46, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

Can't you just mesure the vessels? I'll allow you too, BTW the vessels being bigger than BNSC colonies, was a joke. XD  BNSCLeader  19:19, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I would like you to leave the vessels at their default size please.  BNSCLeader  19:51, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks!!!  BNSCLeader  21:05, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

Re:PAGENAME not working
Me and The Randomness have also noticed this, I've tried solving it already, but I can't find the cause. Ose or Morgoth will probably know, but they are taking wikibreaks right now. Wormulon  Talk to me  18:00, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

In the Battle for Earth, probably use the DCP Dreadnoughts, Blade Class battlecruisers and the DCP Star Destroyer classes. Wormulon  Talk to me  18:01, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, ok lol. Wormulon  Talk to me  20:03, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

Arrival
This is what I had in mind for their arrival. The Xhodocto would have arrived through a rip in the fabrics of the universe. Xho  (Commune)  11:07, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

Keep it as it is. Xho  (Commune)  11:12, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

Sci-fi empires
My DCP fiction does exist in the realm of other science fiction (Star Wars, Star Trek, Babylon 5, Stargate and Doctor Who), but I don't interact with them a great deal (they exist, but mainly because I like Star Trek etc., so I sometimes I reference them). The Randomness's fiction also does, especially Delta quadrant races, so you may want to ask him as well. But I don't mind, as long as they are not completely extincted. Wormulon  Talk to me  11:19, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, as long as there is just a few cubes (so they can assimilate DCP planets occasionally)! As for the other empires, they could be nearly destroyed, maybe only leaving remnants (maybe the remnants unite into one, and the Milky Way doesn't have so many seperate empires)! Wormulon  Talk to me  11:34, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

I think the Borg assimilate humanoids and non-humanoids alike, however, there is nothing in Star Trek, that shows the true origin of the Borg, nor have I thought of a SporeWiki solution (because we have to change them slightly of course). I think the actual original Borg species is long gone, after assimilating so many aliens, who are now all Borg.

The DCP/Borg War actually happend ingame. I created the Borg Collective, I then attacked my own DCP (which was both fun and not so fun, I was like, which world should I destroy? no I like that one, no, destroy it anyway!). As the Borg developed through all the war badges, it was like they were adapting. However, I did not want to destroy either empire, so I distracted my Borg with the Grox, and the Borg invaded them in the end. But anyway, that was the DCP's first war with them. Wormulon  Talk to me  11:55, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

I think the Borg predate humanity actually, their origins are a mystery... Wormulon  Talk to me  11:59, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

You are right, the DCP/Borg war did occur before the DCP's great advancement. It happend in the Early Golden Age, the DCP had conquered the Galactic Core, and harnessed the power from the supermassive Black Hole, and took the power vacuum that was left after the demise of the Grox (who still exist in the core today, but as a remnant of their former glory), by taking the core, the DCP advanced much more quickly (which is my explanation why such a young empire, only a few hundred years old has the technology and power a civilization at least 10,000 years old should have). After that, the DCP started expanding throughout its galaxy, advancinig technology and meeting more empires (such as the Borg). Then, in late Golden Age, the DCP cofounded the Seven Starr Alliance, and interact with other empires on SporeWiki more (and advanced much agin). Now, Post-War of Ages and after the Civil war, the DCP is in a Dark Age (but I will begin a new one soon). :(  Wormulon   Talk to me  13:01, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

Well, if the Tokzhalan Empire would target the Borg, their weapons may prove to be effective at first, but then the Borg would adapt very quickly, and the invasion force dedicated to the Borg would easily be destroyed and/or assimilated. And as of 2409, the Borg have changed, whatever they can't assimilate, they destroy. Seeing how Salsetthe space is located very close to the Borg, according to this map, the Salsetthe could very easily get involved, but they would more likely take a defensive position than an offensive one. I wouldn't mind another SporeWiki fictional conflict I could get involved in, so it's fine with me. | The Randomness | Talk | Blog 13:20, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

I don't know what we should do about the Kazon or the Krenim, but they're relatively minor powers. Even with Borg technology, the Empire's attempt to destroy the Borg will most likely be futile. And once they have located the source of the Tokzhalan forces, they may bring the battle to them. As for the origins of the Borg, the species designation would most likely be Species 001 or something like that. The Borg really isn't a species, as it says on the Memory Alpha page for them, it's a pseudo-race of cybernetic beings. Other than that, I will have to think more about it before I can say more. | The Randomness | Talk | Blog 13:51, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

I found some pretty good creations for any Borg ships you may need, Andeavor made a Borg Cube, but it was labeled Borg Ship instead. Also, this is the best Borg Sphere I could find on Sporepedia, but you might want to take off some of the light detail parts on it. Same thing goes with a fairly accurate Borg Diamond creation I found. I'll notify you if I find any more decent looking Borg creations. | The Randomness | Talk | Blog 13:48, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

In the Memory Alpha article for the Borg, it says that by 2373, they had assimilated thousands of worlds, so by 2756, they would have an incredibly large number of assimilated planets, but I'm not sure how many, but it's a very large number. | The Randomness | Talk | Blog 14:13, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

I would think they use the planets for their resources, but I'm just guessing. Judging from the amount of space they control, I would think it would be closer to 100,000 or so systems. Simply, it's hard to say, as we can just throw out estimates based on the amount of space they control. | The Randomness | Talk | Blog 15:07, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

Re Imperial Civil War
I have added myself to the participants, and added a section describing the URCs aid to the Girdo. Inform me if you wish to change it.

- 15:25 3 August 2010 UTC

Imperial civil war
May the vartekians join? they will be fighting along side the mortalitas.... but not for the same reason you think.-- Captain Votarah  Transmission log  15:35, August 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I will edit later!--Vartek.jpg Captain Votarah  Transmission log  17:23, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

Good idea... I will leave a transmission soon.-- Captain Votarah  Transmission log  18:02, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

the reply will be later... yes.-- Captain Votarah  Transmission log  18:53, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

I have read it and will reply... I need to work on the vartekian page first though....-- Captain Votarah  Transmission log  19:29, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

replied.-- Captain Votarah  Transmission log  21:50, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

Imperial Civil War
Seeing how the Salsetthe are located relatively close to Borg space, and the fact that the Tokzhalan Empire is attacking the Borg, I could quite easily see how one of their ships could unknowingly stray into Salsetthe space, and in doing so, be detected by their sensor arrays that maintain their defensive perimeter. So, can I join the Imperial Civil War, or at least have the Salsetthe Republic get involved in it somehow? | The Randomness | Talk | Blog 13:23, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

Sounds good. So, how should we plan the joining of the Imperial Civil War by the Salsetthe? By the way, I love the way Fiction:Truly Alien is turning out so far. :D | The Randomness |  Talk | Blog 13:55, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, that's sort of what I was thinking. The only side the Salsetthe ever take in a conflict is usually their own. However, it will be against the Tokzhalan Empire. Eventually, the Borg will adapt against Tokzhalan technology, and they probably will assimilate an individual, which will bring the war to Tokzhalan space. | The Randomness | Talk | Blog 14:08, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

Re Imperial Civil War...Again
Oh, sorry I will reply now! - 20:21 5 August 2010 UTC

The Civil War
Hey Ghelae, I just wanted to let you know I really like the Truly Alien and the Imperial Civil War, it has a great build up, awesome images and great storyline references and trivia to other fictions and your own. I really enjoy reading it and I wonder how the campgain of the "Evil Girdo" will bring them too and what there plans are, especialley after the War of Ages, which left the Gigaquadrant in disarray and where peace is very fragile.

Greetz, Dinoman82 09:44, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

Hey Ghelae, I was wondering is it ok with you that Rambo Nation (perhaps the Imperials) have some cameo appearances in the Imperial Civil War. Surely Rambo Nation does not have the same powerfull ships or weapons, but they can be troublesome if they attacked with multiply ships. Just wondering, since the Quadrant Galaxies and the Cyrannus are at the moment not stable Galaxies, and perhaps the Evil Girdo can have some intriques or plans with the system. And ofcourse there is still a Girdo Empire ship stationed at the Rambo capitol (or at least I thought). Please let me know. Greetz, Dinoman82 11:14, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

Hey, thanks!! I will think of a way to let them intervere again, and yes I have quite the suprise for the Cyrandia Alliance, it involves something called the Novae and the Insector Eldarions :D (but it won't happen till sometime, first wanna finish the Rambo Modern Age). Greetz, Dinoman82 14:55, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

I have some questions and ideas for the Imperial Civil War. Is the Human coalition, also built up of near human species who have distant but similar origins, like humanoids such as Klingons as well for example? And are all humans in it? Also, if they attack more sci-fi empires, I have some ideas I would like to add myself (mostly space battles, the Tokzhalan win most of them), but also discover some more Truly Alien species. Also, what if they discover Stargates? That would speed up their invasion! Wormulon  Talk to me  18:32, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

My battle plans are only going to be small battles, not war changing ones (the war is still young). Like, a Tokzhelan attack on the First Ones for example (but that might lead to disaster though, considering they are billions of years old). As for Stargates, maybe the Tokzheklan make a minature sized Droner using Ancient or Asgard technology to open the gates. Considering most gate travelling races are in an iron-age stage of development, this should be easy. Most of the Goa'uld system lords have been defeated by now, and the only Asgard left are ones in the Pegasus galaxy, after their mass suicide in the Milky Way. The Replicators might pose a real threat though. As for the Standards Weapons page, I will add more to that soon! Meanwhile, yes, the DCP is climbing out of its Dark age, and are starting to recover and advance from previous wars. They could create a monopole or a vacuum or false energy state and outfit it on the missile. I will think more about this. Wormulon  Talk to me  18:14, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

Secular/Atheist
Thanks for the better explanation. You're right, only some Atheists actively believe in there being no god. And yes, technically all secularists are atheist, it's just most people don't make that distinction. In future I will use your definition, mine is just a five-second explanation, whereas yours is by far superior. One correction though is that spirituality is not necessarily tied to religion. Spriggs077 08:55, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, Secularism is defined as 'religious skepticism or indifference' (The Free Dictionary http://www.thefreedictionary.com/secularism), with no reference made to spirituality. Spirituality refers to the human spirit and experience which does not require any religious beliefs to exist. For example, Buddhists are considered spiritual people, but are (technically) not religious (Buddhism does not meet one of the criteria for being a religion, notably the absence of any deity).

By the way, I'm glad there's someone on this wiki I can have this kind of discussion with.

Just to conclude, I think YOU have secularists and Atheists confused. While there is nothing specifying that Atheists cannot believe in things that are spiritual, there is nothing that says Secularists can't either. It was really good having this discussion with you, and I really appreciate it. From now on you're definately a Liked User (see my user page)

Images
You know the images that you had for the Tokzhalan? You know the ones with the spaceship and planets? May I ask how you did that? Xho  (Commune)  22:12, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

What do you think of the Fordanta?
I've had my fiction the Fordan Empire up for a while now, and I've prettymuch gotten them to where I want them to be, so I've created a blog so that people can tell me what they think. If you could take some time out to look the Fordanta up and give me some feedback I'd greatly appreciate it.

Spriggs077 07:37, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

The Doctor
This is a minor question and not even a request. I've noticed that the Tokzehlan have reverse engineered a time ship made out of Dalek parts. Will the Doctor make a cameo appearence lol? Obviously, thats up to you. Wormulon  Talk to me  16:36, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

The Daleks could quite easily take on the DCP actually, considering they can destroy entire galaxies, have time travel (the DCP does not experiment much with it, but does have it to a minor degree, mostly time dilation) and are Tier 1 level. Wormulon  Talk to me  18:07, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

Also, I've written about Science fiction empires mentioned by mine other empires, and how they affect the Milky Way here. Still, most don't go much beyond these references in my fiction, but they could be potential targets for the next Milky Way campaign. BNSCLeader uses the Convenant an awful lot, and I think it conflicts with the Cognatus, they should be wiped out. The Galactic Empire only have a few colonies in the Milky Way (it is also Legacy era empire, so they could use Palleon class star destroyers, now the Jovar/URC/Imperial Alliance use similar ships to the classic star destroyer). Wormulon  Talk to me  18:22, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

When they reach that area of the galaxy, I do have a few First Contact ideas:
 * First contact with the First Federation:The Tokzehalan find a warning bouy in space (in this vid), emitting radiation. They defeat the cube, and then discover the First Federation.  But unlike Kirk, the Tokzhelan pick the agressive tactic?
 * First contact with the Tholians:The Tokzehalan send some Droners to investigate, but the Tholians trap them in a web. But maybe they form an alliance, after it is discovered that the Tholians are silicon based.
 * The Romulan Star Empire have great intelligence nets, likely even better by the 29th century. They probably would ally after some convincing.  It would be hard to get them to ally with the Klingons.  A similar story would be between the Narn and the Centuari (Babylon 5), who hate each other.
 * Finally, I think the Shadows, one of the evil First Ones from B5 would definately ally. They guide the young races like the Vorlon, but believe creating chaos and war will drive the young races evolution.  Wormul.png Wormulon   Talk to me  18:50, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

Your section to Second ottzello Galactic War
I like it, (picture was brilliant XD) by the way shouldn't you make a Fiction:Dalek Empire, it's cool that the Daleks are in the war! Anyway, hope you can continue to make brilliant sections to the war, it will last of couple of months then the third will start (I can't reveal too many details at the moment)-- 18:20, August 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * I will put them in when I get on my good computer at home (later today), but pretty much all of my empires weapons are aided by Dark Gyronic, so what should I do? And for the war's direction, the Kralgons have a secret plan to revive the kralgon Empire, so they'll need to attack the Telzoc homeworld, I'll write that today, but this time the emperor is so excited he lets the Daleks & Tokhzhalan attack wherever they like but the planet should preferrably have strategic value. Once the emperor has recovered what he wants, he'll let the Tokhzhalan & Daleks (with a few spare zazane forces) attack whoever they like, including Ottzel and Galot, Technobians are at the very end. With Wormulon's DCP now in the war, the DCP and Galot are invesitgating into the Kralgon plan, as to what the Kralgon are after, but that's tomorrow. Today I am introducing the fourth faction who will be very important at the end but now the Tokhzalan won't have anything to do with them.-- 13:23, August 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok so, on the page about weapons, what shall I do? My empire has so many weapons that aere aided by Gyronic & Dark Gyronic, shall I just write them in their sections? IE a nuclear warhead I'd put the Kralgon their and write in brackets it's aided by Dark gyronic?-- 18:20, August 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ah ok. Oh, and can you write about the Tokzhalan & Daleks get bored of being ordered, so attack several Telzoc strategic planets and then a large amount of Telzoc planets, just as many as the kralgons were conquering themselves, so the Kralgons decided they wouldn't order their allies in what to do anymore, sound good?-- 18:36, August 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Telzoc began with 2,000 colonies, down to just 1,000 now, but many colonies are dystopias and support one clony with a low population, of course they'd attack the Gykar next but I'd prefer to focus on Telzoc becoming extinct at the moment, but if you want they could begin to destroy some outer defence Gykar planets.-- 18:51, August 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * The telzoc are now extinct! The Gykar war will last twice as long, but now the Gykar & Ottzel are primary targets, and the Ottzello allies & DCp are trying to figure out what is going on, and Zaarkhun has his own plans...-- 19:54, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

I like your idea! The Warlord Titanozor (the one who was with the Emperor all along) is in command of the DCP in Ottzello (and don't have many colonies anyway, as the DCP see's little benefit within such chaos, most are stationed to fight the Loron hordes or trade with the Galot). Now, Dalek Saucers shields I presume are very strong, but so are the DCP's teleportation methods. Perhaps a volley of Ion cannon bursts should weaken it slighly, just enough for Titanozor to beam in (and if its a small ship, it could be weaker anyway). Wormulon  Talk to me  18:39, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

Sounds epic! I look forward to seeing what you will write. Wormulon  Talk to me  19:45, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I thought you was lol (because you thought it up), I don't mind writing it then! Most of the DCP forces are in the Great Purging of the Loron, and will not notice the large Dalek fleet until its too late. Wormulon  Talk to me  20:13, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

Now the DCP's forces are distracted extincting the Loron (they have already severly reduced their population), the Daleks could make their move quite soon, so you could write it whenever your ready to! Wormulon  Talk to me  20:41, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I could add certain extras to it then. Note that Titanozor is easily enraged. Wormulon  Talk to me  20:53, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

RE:Zaarkhun's plan
Ok perhaps I should mention that then :P Ok so the Tokzhalan &Daleks will fight the Gykar today, but this time, could the Tokzhalan and Daleks be joined by the Kralgons? They could attack a system with 3 planets- Gykar colonize every planet in the star system since their terrafroming is good- have one each, then move on to conquer more planets? BTW your pictures are amazing!-- 16:22, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Re:Standard weapons tech... again...
Sorry for taking so long to respond, I was on a shortish vacation, and yeah, I've thought a bit more about the weapons I wasn't sure about, I'll add them in tomorrow.

As for 28th century technology for the United Federation of Planets, they'll probably have started to develop subatomic disruptor technology, and time travel is becoming commonplace, judging from this article on the 28th century, which unfortunately has not all that much information. Aside from that, I'm not entirely sure. | The Randomness | Talk | Blog 22:42, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

RE:Quote templates
Ok, thanks! Could you check please lol, i would check myself but spore is too slow on this PC to do anything but make stuff O_o-- 08:12, August 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thats ok :)-- 11:44, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

Planet Glasser
The Warr researched very-high tech weapons before they became a Space-faring empire. One of these was a low powered glasser used to bomb rivaling cities. After becoming space-faring, they upgraded. So whatever is not "super" dangerous, like the middle range of medium. Peanut 64

Okay, disruptors. Peanut 64

RE:Second Ottzello Galactic war... again
Theyre not gone yet lol, I was kinda waiting for something to happen haha. My bad :( Basically, the next few attacks are joint Kralgon, Tokzhalan & Daleks in one invasion (to break through the Gykar's huge defences, and so the Kralgon Emperor can obtain another of the seven items he wants), could you write the first battle? But only put Kralgon star ships in the picture, since I haven't made Kralgonbattle pods (for info about them its on the page, theyre egg shaped full of weapons and stuck into the ground gaining geo thermal energy) cos I dont know how, thanks for bringing it up lol-- 18:39, August 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * These are the main strongholds protecting the inner planets yes. And yeah... about time I made that stuff, I'll message you when made-- 10:34, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Void Space Q&A
I realise that a lot of people probably don't understand Void Space properly, so I made a Q&A for it and the various pieces of archeotech. The link is here, so if you have any questions ask away.

Re: Syndicate
Hey, yes the Syndicate is still active and still bounty hunters can join the organisation. But lately not very active as there a little to no bounties to collect and Rambam infriltrated the Syndicate HQ so security measures has increased. But the Syndicate is awaiting her time until the right moment to strike again. And you found a way to continue the Alien series? Dinoman82 09:53, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Ah ok, so it was a break. Well, looking forward to the bounty hunter, Levarrion will welcome him with open arms :D. If you want, you can add him/her to the Bounty Hunter page and also if you want you can use various Bounty Hunters. Looking forward to the new developments. Dinoman82 10:11, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

RE:Anit-Gykar Army picture
Thanks for the brilliant picture lol, as for size of the vehicles well they are far off in the distance so no one would be able to tell, if my Spore was working faster it'd be easier for me to show size but I'll probs do that some other time. Anyway, I'm concluding the Second Stage of the invasion, the next the Imperial Alliance join.-- 11:04, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

Plazith Rim campaign part two
Ok, now (at least for the DCP's part), many of the old fictions and wars the DCP were in are over or are completed, and now after their recovery from the Dark Age, they have tipped into Tier 1 (which they were nearly anyway). This is partly because I want to expand to new science fiction ideas (like the Legacy/Destinies in time, and the DCP's expansion into hyperspace), as I was getting bogged down with the many wars they were involved in. This is why for a while, I didn't give the DCP a huge role, but now I will probably involve them in only one or two wars at a time.

But anyway, their recovery is over, so I could give the DCP greater roles in the war. I haven't got too much plans yet, so if you have any please tell me (I like this war)! The DCP are likely to interviene soon, since the Daleks and now the Grox are the Imperial's allies. Also, are the Imperials going to ally with Species 8472 (as hinted in Truly Alien)? If they ally with them and possibly the Shadows as well (that might anger the other First Ones/Ancients, but both have similar agendas and both fit the "Truly Alien" category), little can oppose them! Wormulon  Talk to me  14:43, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

Staff of Death? Sounds interesting. Still, we don't know how big Fluidic Space is, but I assume it is an entire Level II universe (a bubble universe, which has similar but altered laws of physics, perhaps the reason why it is fluid, is because the proton is more stable, allowing the creation of more complex life and molecular structures, I have been reading Michio Kaku Parallel Worlds book, but lets not go off on tangents). I read on Memory Beta, that Fluidic Space contains masses of matter, not unlike coral reef systems. Perhaps the Staff is enough to destroy 8472's home or homes (their version of a planet) in that case. Wormulon  Talk to me  23:59, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

Well, that sounds like it could work equally well. I assume surviving Undine will not be happy, however, the Salsetthe have battled them, and perhaps they will defeat them eventually. Wormulon  Talk to me  11:16, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

New Tokyo
It's going to be rebuilt right? I mean, old Tokyo get destroyed and rebuilt on a yearly basis! 20:51, September 6, 2010 (UTC)

Girdo
I just noticed that the Girdo Galaxy is mentioned in an artifact! 21:18, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Standard Propulsion Technology
You forgot slipspace, used in the Halo games. The DSB use it. Would you like a link? 12:14, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

Ignore this Please
This is a Mistake by R17RFUNNY,Ignore this R17 (Hyperwave Broadcast) 12:45, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks a Lot
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Because that Image is Mine and does not belong to Governoid anyways. R17 (Hyperwave Broadcast) 12:44, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

You know the propulsion page
Can you explain how to work it? BTW the Tokzhalan & Daleks will be able to rampage Ottzello soon today...-- 19:55, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Just about all my empires use Gyronic enhanced stuff? Although theres a new branch of Gyronic I'm making soon. Can I have the link please as well?-- 20:05, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

Upcoming Salsetthe/Tokzhalan Empire battle and some other stuff
Ok, I've finished updating the information for the ship database page, so you can take a look at the specifications for the two new ships so then we can start the engagement as soon as possible. Also, I was reading you most recent revision for the eighth part of Truly Alien, and I was thinking about why the commander was cut off. While I was thinking of that, I was thinking that maybe a member of Salsetthe Intelligence (Ryia'gach, an overseer of operations in Salsetthe Intelligence) could enter the room at that time, and since not many are accustomed to such an entry or an individual, everything could go quiet. As soon as it would become silent, Ryia'gach could start speaking, and that individual (I sure wish that English had gender-neutral versions of he/she.) would say something like, "Yes, we are planning to engage the Tokzhalan fleet with a small task force. While we are not entirely intent on destroying that fleet, we are looking to gather information from the engagement, now, may I have a word with Atirieil, the head of Girdo Imperial Intelligence?" Reply with what you think of this. The Randomness | Talk | Blog 21:17, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

Re:Jump drives
Yes, the DCP did invent their own Jump drives for nanoswarms. The idea I got, was that an advanced civilization might not actually fly around in starships to find new systems, such a form of expansion would be incredbily slow, instead, before colonizing new systems, a civilization might send tiny self-replicating spacecraft called Von Neumann probes, they create the colony and materials and then the civilization moves in. Or, the probes simply spread genes throughut the universe. I also have heard of Jump drives, and although the term in very broad, several in science fiction kind of act like teleporters. I have no problem with FTL communications, what I mean, is that it is impossible using quantum entanglement, but if sub/hyperspace travel is commonplace, it not much of a step forward to believe that communication is transferred there. The DCP jump drives uses tachyons, similar to the Shift drive.

The Nanohorde became very dangerous because they had this technology. I read in Michio Kaku's Science of the Impossible, if bacteria wouldn't drown themselves in their own waste, they would actually outweight the Earth in months. The Nanohorde, cosume and replicate almost anything with no competition, nor do they die like organic life, so could soon convert planets. Although the Nanohorde are an example of evolution, they simply started off as malfunctioning terraforming probes. But will replication, just like cells, "cancers" can form, basically, the Nanohorde are "mutated", but eventually evolved into life. There is a misconception that they are evil, but they are really unaware, like a virus. Wormulon  Talk to me  12:36, September 20, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, and, I have found a fascinating "Truly alien" lifeform, I'm not suggesting you should use it in Truly Alien, as we have enough sci-fi empires running about on SporeWiki, but it is an interesting article to read - Hildemar's Knots. Its from Orion's Arm, I like it because it is a Hard Science Fiction, meaning that although there are many advanced technologies, all stick to the laws of reality, and the only alien life is Truly Alien. There is no true Galactic Civilization, as all seem to show lack of interest. It puts size back in the universe too. Humans have evolved into a variety of Transhumans, like cyborgs, hybrids, AI's etc., known as "Terragen life". It is similar to SporeWiki's fiction universe in that it is a collaberative fiction, and hopefully this wiki will get that detailed one day... Wormulon  Talk to me  15:23, September 20, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, perhaps Jump drives should be a subcategory then, although the slight difference being is that they act like an FTL teleporter using tachyons (or maybe superbradyons, another FTL particle). I hope to bring my DCP/collaborative fiction into more of a Hard Science Fiction theme, although I don't mind if other user's fiction isn't "hard", unless it was absolutely silly. The technology page mostly is based on possibility, I want the new Transevolutionary era to be a bit like what we see in OA (terms of realism/wide range of fiction) and even the Legacy stories, are all possible under the laws of physics (no, theoretical physics which can change). Yours is very realistic! I also have a plan for something special after the Imperial Civil War, which I will shed light on in my new blog soon. The thing that annoys me about the DCP is that they are 360 years old, so I might increase their age many times. Oh dear, I seem to be going off on tangents, considering this message is about jump drives! :P  Wormulon   Talk to me  20:57, September 20, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Salsetthe/Tokzhalan Battle etc
Sorry for taking so long to respond, I had about three hours of homework to do today along with school.

One of my assumptions was that Atirieil was "cut off" due to the fact that you stopped writing at that point. Also, for further reference and use, the "eye" part of the Salsetthe ocular implants in-universe look something like the eye of the two co-op robots for Portal 2, in this video at about 0:15.

Now, for the more interesting part, the battle. It will be interesting to attempt to play losing.

The Salsetthe task force will be comprised of 115 ships, of which...
 * 4 are Salsetthe Dreadnoughts,
 * 11 are Salsetthe Escorts,
 * 25 are Salsetthe Cruisers,
 * 5 are Salsetthe DSVs (Deep Space Vessels),
 * 15 are Salsetthe Tactical Escorts,
 * 15 are Salsetthe Star Cruisers,
 * 25 are Omadinel Cruisers,
 * and 15 are Salsetthe Advanced Escorts.

Each Star Cruiser has about two tricobalt devices, and the Dreadnoughts have six. I was thinking that the transphasic torpedoes won't have quite the destructive power as they did on the Borg, due to Salsetthe Intelligence's research on them, so I would say about 30-45% of the damage they would normally have due to increased shield penetration. Needless to say, the Tozhalan Empire's fleet will also be firing (mostly) blind since the Salsetthe Republic uses ships that can fire and have shields up while cloaked. I'm fine with the superlasers, as I assume it would be similar to a controlled overload of a directed energy/particle beam weapon. For firing arcs of the weapons, I would consult stuff like STO wiki's information for the Salsetthe ships. As for how much damage the Salsetthe Defense Force's ships can take before they get destroyed, it's more likely the systems will overload due to the stresses exerted on them before the actual ship gets blasted apart, due to the silicon-neutronium alloy used for hull plating, and the escorts are more or less similar to the Defiant class when it comes to scaling/firepower stuff.

As for the way we will write it, what you mentioned sounds good. You can write the bulk of it, and I can fix errors and add my smallish part of it, the backstory and the Salsetthe Republic's view of the aftermath of the battle. I'm guessing it will be more of something like Star Trek: Enterprise's Battle of Azati Prime, except that it will be a much more equal battle, and several Salsetthe ships, damaged, will escape from the battle to report back instead of the Salsetthe Republic's forces just getting completely owned, like the Enterprise did in that video. Also, if the Tokzhalan Empire attempts to do just about anything to any of the systems on the Salsetthe Defense Force's ships once they're disabled, the ship(s) in question will self-destruct. The Randomness | Talk | Blog 01:04, September 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * No, they aren't as used to losing as some empires, but it's not as if they're entirely convinced that they'll win every single time.
 * Ah, ok. Just remember that the more they're used against Salsetthe ships, the less effective they'll become due to adaptations made by the new adaptive shielding technology.
 * Tracking weapons fire will only be effective so long as the ship stays in the same place, which it probably won't.
 * As for cloaking devices, despite the Empire's knowledge of cloaking devices, they will be firing mostly blind, since the emissions from any cloaked ship's engines are very small, and much like the Scimitar's cloak in Star Trek: Nemesis, there aren't any antiprotons emissions and there are no residual tachyons to trace.
 * Yes, the firing arcs are a bit excessive, but it's nice to have that information so then you don't have a Salsetthe Cruiser's dual polaron beam bank exceeding its 90° firing arc in a story.
 * Yes, a critically damaged ship will float anywhere from partially cloaked to completely decloaked and for the most part, inactive, except for maybe thrusters and some impulse engine power.
 * Yes, probably around three volleys at the most, and probably more like two for the Tactical Escort.
 * Ok.

Ok, here's a revised list of the ships in the Salsetthe task force.


 * 15 Salsetthe Dreadnoughts
 * 20 Salsetthe Escorts
 * 45 Salsetthe Cruisers
 * 10 Salsetthe DSVs (Deep Space Vessels)
 * 20 Salsetthe Tactical Escorts
 * 20 Salsetthe Star Cruisers
 * 40 Omadinel Cruisers
 * 20 Salsetthe Advanced Escorts

It's not quite double the amount of ships, but it's a significant number more. Also, any survivors that Tokzhalan manages to get to his brig or demonstrate his shiny new weapons or something else will most likely either try and sabotage the ship, escape, or actually kill themselves in a classified way before he can kill them or wring information out of them. He will kill a lot more than get any information out of them other than their designation/name without their actual rank pinned on to the end of it. The Randomness | Talk | Blog 21:03, September 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok, that sounds good with me. I'll add what I need to add to the New Grox Wars page later today. Also, I can't wait to see what you'll write. :) The Randomness | Talk | Blog 21:25, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

Civil war
Can I join the Imperial Civil War with my Light Sector Alliance?--Sporeguy33 15:25, September 22, 2010 (UTC)

I guess I'll join it anyway, and join the New Grox War as well.

I have a suggestion for the New Grox Wars. One of the series I am making on Spore is about a race of Grox-created soldiers called Core-Marked Clones, or Clones. They are quite powerful but are mostly used as foot soldiers. I think they look cool and are an alternative to having to download Grox creations. What do you think?--Sporeguy33 18:55, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

Updating the SSA
I can do the updating, since my next few days are off, and I haven't got much else to do today now, so I don't mind toing that later. And as for the old empires, they could be assumed "missing", since the War of Ages and their status unknown. Wormulon  Talk to me  16:04, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

Okay then, instead of removing them, I added things like EXTINCT, or MERGED WITH HUMAN REPUBLIC, and as for the Goa'uld STATUS UNKNOWN. I guess I will need to heavily update the maps as well st some point. I have thought up an idea for the First Ones. The Vorlon and the Shadows have been at war for billions of years. If the Shadows ally with the Tokzhalan, that might annoy the Vorlon, but they are both extremely advanced. Both races guide the young ones, down one path or another, and are basically waiting for the young races to advance so they can finally ascend properly, the Vorlon are already beings of energy. So maybe after a few battles with each other they somehow decide to leave the Milky Way and "go boyond the Rim" like the other First Ones had done, and leave the guidence to another advanced civilization (even the Grox and Daleks would struggle to extinct or merge them, they are very capable of defending themselves from them). The DCP would be perfect, as they have similar goals of guiding young empires. Plus the young races are part of the Human Republic now. Wormulon  Talk to me  16:51, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

As you said before, you are trying to find ideas about what to do with the other sci-fi empires. I think the other sci-fi empires in the war should probably only be the ones mentioned on the map. The Goa'uld might be rediscovered through Stargates, however, they wouldn't join the Human Republic, and so would probably get wiped out quickly by the Daleks and Grox. The Asgard are not the same as the Milky Way Asgard, as they committed mass suicide in the Milky Way, but their cousins from other galaxies, like the Vanir have only some isolated research outposts in the galaxy. They are peaceful and probably stay out of this this war, or would simply leave the galaxy. 8472 we have already discussed how that might work. All thats would be left then I guess is the Dominion and a few Galactic Empire colonies. I suppose the Founders are liquid based shape shiftes, they might ally being Truly alien (and the Dominion might get destroyed in the war they join). The Xeelee and Q would most likely ignore the "silly quarrels" of lesser tiers. Wormulon  Talk to me  17:15, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

Sounds like a good plan! I will make work on the "Civilized galaxy" after the Imperial Civil War, so the maps will undergo huge changes. Meanwhile, I will keep the old ones and put them in the history of the galaxy section, showing was the galaxy was like before it was "untamed". The DCP could found it, by then, the First Ones would have left the galaxy for them to guide, and its about time they found something like this. Could I write the First Ones story when the time is right? Wormulon  Talk to me  18:19, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

And yes, I will delete Warhammer, the dystopian theme is not very compatable with the Milky Way, and its the wrong time period. Warhammer is cool, but its not very science fiction'ish. Wormulon  Talk to me  18:28, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

Oh yeah, actually, since the Grox are more powerful now, as I've written in my first substory, the Grox were able to repel the DCP attacks. So the Grox are capable of attacking DCP space, at least the outer worlds. But I plan that just before Civilized Galaxy is formed, the Grox in the Milky Way will probably have been pushed out, but it seems that will take some time. Wormulon  Talk to me  18:52, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Species 8472 War
I saw your message, and as for the "Staff of Death" being used in fluidic space, it probably wouldn't have too big of an effect, other than further angering the Undine/Species 8472 after entering fluidic space in order to fire the weapon. You know that it's an entirely separate universe, not just a small bubble of space, and I would assume that the Staff of Death probably doesn't have a range of more than one parsec, due to the fact that it most likely effects things at relativistic, but not FTL speeds. The Salsetthe Republic also has a handful of colonies in fluidic space, so they'll probably know if anyone enters it as well as the Undine/Species 8472, so you'll have to deal with both of them. So no, I don't like the idea of an Undine-Tokzhalan Empire and aligned powers war due to the devastating effects that would be inflicted onto those aligned powers as well as the fact that there's not too many decent Undine/Species 8472 Spore creations.

I was looking at your recent changes to Wormulon's talk page, and I didn't recognize one of the names, which was the Goa'uld, what sc-fi stuff are they from? The Randomness | Talk | Blog 20:43, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

We could still use Species 8472, they want to eradicate life in the Milky Way, they might see the Imperial Civil War as a great opportunity. Wormulon  Talk to me  22:05, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

Right, so much has happened. The Shadows are now on the Tokzhalan's side, although thet actually have an ultimate plan of their own. After an attack on the Delpha Sector, the Vorlon and other First Ones came to the rescue. I haven't thought up this Ultimate plan, nor do I really need to (to keep the mystery), but after a few battles the Vorlon win, and then Shadows, Vorlon and other First Ones leave the Milky Way for the DCP to look after (maybe they can all finally ascend). The Asgard also follow and leave. But when the Emperor discovers relic tech from the Ancients, like the Stargates, he then discovers loads more primitive human societies, uncovers new tech and finds a rogue Goa'uld system Lord (hiding since their collapse) which the Daleks could destroy. Thats my battle plan. Last System Lord gone, First Ones ascended and the Asgard decided to leave. Wormulon  Talk to me  14:28, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

Now comes the next stage in the story. The First Ones and Asgard have left, but now Tokzhalan will discover the Stargates. I need a bit of planning, like discovering the gate. By now, I would imagine most civilizations who use them would shield them with Iris-like barriers when not being used. But that isn't a problem for the Tokzhalan's superlaser. They probably find some Ancient tech as well as many of those primitive (mostly iron-age) human societies, who are not advanced enough to join the Republic. Perhaps a small Apalos-type drone could be sent down each one to destroy them. However, one of the drones would be desroyed by a Goa'uld. The Tokzhalan go through the Stargate (one of the troops get infected with a symbiote), but is easily destroyed when returned to base. However, due to the largish fleet in orbit, and the business of the Tokzhalan, the Daleks would be quite happy to do some extermination (and even the Goa'uld have no chance against the Daleks). Wormulon  Talk to me  11:40, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

Of course, there is the Wraith, who are shown on the map in an invasion line. Perhaps they could aid the Tokzhalan in getting rid of the primitive human societies (but now it seems a lot of sci-fi empires are joining the Tokzhalan's camp, so we will need to think about how they will be destroyed at some point, I guess the Wraith's savage nature annoys the Daleks, or they try to feed on the Tokzhalan after, leading to their extinction in the Milky Way. Also, there is a fleet of Shadows who didn't leave still on the Tokz's side, but its only small and they could destroyed in one big battle, or over the course of several). I could write and finish this whole story today. Wormulon  Talk to me  11:49, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

Oh yes, I have been forgetting my own idea, yes there is no Grox King. Perhaps there was a king for every galaxy, but now the Grox are one it should probably be an Emperor. The Xeelee, yes, they wouldn't have territory, now I know a bit more about them. But your idea isn't too far off mine, but I thought I should ask in case you were writing the story, but thats fine. If there still going to be a battle against 8472? Wormulon  Talk to me  12:12, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, the Daleks could stand a chance against the Undine/Species 8472 if they were to start a war against each other. As for fluidic space being or not being a universe, I couldn't find any information that supported either point. Either way the wind blows when it comes to it being a universe or not (either way it's a completely separate realm from the rest of our Universe), I don't like the idea of a war that will bring the Undine/Species 8472 into it, and the Staff of Death/Life probably won't have much of an effect after decimating up to 1pc of their space since it most likely operates at relativistic speeds even in fluidic space. However, I do like your idea of what fluidic space is like, but I still think it's a completely separate universe from ours and that a Tokzhalan Empire and aligned powers - Undine/Species 8472 war isn't that good of an idea. So yes, you could call this a veto. The Randomness | Talk | Blog 13:45, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

I believe I've fixed the issue, I've made it so my story happens imbetween the Grox's discovery and the news the Emperor recieved. Wormulon  Talk to me  14:13, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

Grox robots
Well I kinda pictured a giant version of a Dronox. The Grox certainly have that kind of power and if they can build an army of those things why not just build a smaller army of bigger ones?-- Captain Votarah  Transmission log  14:06, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

They should be a different design... maybe more powerful as you said... but so that they still look cool.... I would use the dronox design myself....-- Captain Votarah  Transmission log  14:18, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

yes... and made in the creature editor and through some epic outfitting :P.-- Captain Votarah  Transmission log  14:21, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

Sounds good, goodluck!-- Captain Votarah  Transmission log  14:27, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

Ottzello campaign restarts
Could you write a section about how the Daleks & Tokzhalan grow tired of waiting for Zaarkhun in sector 9012 and attack sector 748u regardless? BTW the Imperial Alliance joined, the Imperial Alliance, Vartekians and Kralgon will merely allow Tokzhalan & Daleks to rage, while they attack planets in the West they haven't yet taken. -- 15:54, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

RE:New Grox Wars
Yeah, the BNSC will join the New Grox Wars, they want revenge on the Grox for destroying Bearth.  BNSCLeader  17:56, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

new grox wars
I would like to join the new grox wars, I mean my fiction is all about fighting the grox Yarsofpupae 20:26, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

my creatures galaxy is the kcaj galaxy (my first name backwards) and I have asked for it to be put up on the galaxy map page but i'm not sure it's there yet and the AGA have been attacking the grox for the last three years but I'm not sure if they started upgrading before then I don't think it will contradict with anything as all my fiction takes place in a small galaxy very isolated from the other galaxies and they have only reached intergalactic travel very recently, so the AGA and any other races from my fiction wouldn't have affected anything until now. Yarsofpupae 21:13, September 26, 2010 (UTC) and

New Grox Wars
Yeah, the Gablinus are in. 20:28, September 27, 2010 (UTC)

Those questions

 * 1) Yeah, go ahead an archive, that seems sensible now.
 * 2) I'm not sure if the Asgard can be considered the First Ones, they are ancient and highly advanced, but the First Ones are billions of years old, and are almost energy beings (transevolution), while the Asgard messed up their biology so could never ascend. Also, the Shadows are particulary favoured among the other First ones, who have been known to gang up on the Shadows in the past.
 * 3) Yeah, okay, I'll make that! Should I split them up into tiers?  Only, I fear a couple of users might blaze us over such a page (some are yes to sci-fi empires, most I don't think care much whether they are there are not and some strongly oppose them.  To me, fanfic is fine, but in the SporeWiki universe we should have restrictions to when they can be used).  Wormul.png Wormulon   Talk to me  17:31, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

Well, that we have said already, I'm repeating myself again! Wormulon  Talk to me  17:32, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

Cool, I'll help you write it! Wormulon  Talk to me  17:51, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

Alright, howabout SporeWiki:Fiction Universe/Fanfic empires? Well, I suppose the page could always be moved. Wormulon  Talk to me  20:34, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

I've started the article. Note that the first thing I added was a disclaimer type section, so just in case I didn't spark an argument. Wormulon  Talk to me  20:45, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

I have an idea, if there ever will be a "final battle" of this war, perhaps the Borg could join in, in a revenge of the Borg kind of battle, but this time, adapated to Tokzhalan's weapons. Also, what will become of the Daleks now the war is moving from the Milky Way? Wormulon  Talk to me  10:35, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

Re:
Yes, I did. I would like to mention however, that I am very inactive lately, so it may not be for a while. I would allow someone else to "control" the fleet, the only problem being that someone will make them seem weak and they'll be destroyed (has already happened a few times). So yes, they will, but don't know when yet. The  Jovar  21:05, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

Re: End of the Plazith Rim Campaign
I made a small correction to you most recent addition to Truly Alien, as the Salsetthe are more or less orange than red. As for your ideas, that sounds good to me, now I'll give my thoughts on how it should continue after that.
 * Only a few Salsetthe ships are destroyed, and the ship inside it, which I think is called the Apalos or something is launched and attempts to escape, and unless I'm mistaken, it's an Imperium-class starship, carrying Tokzhalat and a remnant of the crew.
 * A Salsetthe Dreadnought is dispatched, carrying One for whatever reason, goes to intercept it.
 * The Battle of (name of location) starts with the Salsetthe Dreadnought (the SDFS Vey'rch, the current Salsetthe flagship) knocking out the other ship's hyperluminal or whatever-it's-called drive and whatever allows it to give rough coordinates of (a) cloaked ship(s) are knocked offline.
 * The battle continues until the weapons of both ships are rendered ineffective, shields are offline, and all various sorts of torpedoes have been exhausted.
 * One is transported onto the ship, kills Tokzhalat, then sacrifices himself to destroy the ship.

That's all I can think of right now, and I have yet to think of some stuff for what happens after, other than the Salsetthe Republic and the DCP destroying the last Grox colonies in the Milky Way/Plazith Rim. You might also want to look at some of the stuff I left in our last discussion that will be useful for this ship vs. ship confrontation, largely regarding firing arcs and stuff like that. The Randomness | Talk | Blog 15:48, October 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * Fine, we don't kill Tokzhalat, yet. As for the other stuff...
 * I don't like the idea of it just being a simple fleet battle, as they lack the depth of the ship vs. ship battle, since there are so many ships and you can't have a detailed point of view from every single ship.
 * Why couldn't it be a somewhat larger Apalos-class ship? Tokzhalat is the most powerful individual in the Tokzhalan Empire, so why wouldn't he have a somewhat larger variant of ship(s) for himself?
 * That's all I can think of for now. 23:27, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

If the Plazith Rim campaign is ending soon, then we need to discuss two more things, are we still going to use the Tholians, and what will become of the Daleks, will they continue to fight in other galaxies? Also, you may have missed my previous question in the section above (Those questions) about the Borg. Wormulon  Talk to me  23:37, October 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sounds cool.
 * Yes, a war with the Undine would definatly diostract their forces. And if the Cult are about to attack Ottzello (in the Second Coming), the Daleks are going to get distracted.
 * Thats sounds like an interesting idea. It reminds me of my friends dream in some way, the Daleks and the Borg were invading Earth, humans get caught in the middle and there was dying everywhere.  The Borg were creating a "hive" underground, however, some Daleks invaded it.  Suddenly everything when quiet for a while, and then my friend said that he looked out the window, there was this "thing", that was a weird hybrid looked through, he knew his end was near, and then he woke up.  Wormul.png Wormulon   Talk to me  10:52, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

I just figured out what you meant by Chekhov's gun, very interesting. I'll have to try and use that a bit more for any stories I'm involved in. Now for what we have been discussing. Also, how does Tokzhalat escape? 21:46, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, there goes one of my ideas.
 * The tactical data obtained by the prisoners that Tokzhalat took would be useful, as they would use it to quickly disable the Mothership. The Vey'rch could be damaged enough in the battle that ensues so then it levels the playing field between the Apalos and the Vey'rch and then we have the epic ship vs. ship battle.
 * Yes, this is sort of trying to adapt part of the story of Star Trek: Nemesis to fit our own needs.
 * For the in-ship battle, I'm unsure of whether to decide on One by himself just going in there and blowing the place up, or having a small away team which then gets either wiped out or escapes through a shuttlecraft on the Apalos. Which do you think would be better?
 * We can't have any pictures of the in-ship battle with a Salsetthe in it, because I haven't been able to create a decent outfit for them.

Well, the DCP has rounded up some empires for the New Grox Wars, who will attack the Grox, I plan on destroying them over the next week or so in the Milky Way, but before I steam ahead, do you have any plans for the Grox in the Milky Way? Wormulon  Talk to me  22:43, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

I'm eventually going to take over your talk page. Any more ideas? 02:35, October 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * That's the sort of thing I was thinking about, and I don't have a very detailed idea of the battle inside of the ship at the moment.
 * It's a biological thing developed by decades of genetic engineering, so that puts a wrench in that one idea, and I'll give you some more detailed information on what sort of weapons they use on the ground other than what I've put onto that one page that you made. I also think that the away team should escape somehow.
 * Sounds good.
 * Why not just call it the Apalos again? While it may cause some initial confusion, you'll avoid the Apalos II problem. And that method of escape sounds fine with me.
 * I like the idea of a Dalek-Undine war with no superweapons, but you may be hard pressed to find any decent Species 8472 creations on Spore.

And another thing...
 * The Salsetthe use stuff like this, this, this, and this when it comes to weapons for their away teams. They also use personal shields and all members of the Salsetthe Defense Forces and Salsetthe Intelligence are equipped with them. Any more ideas for the in-ship battle? I think that Tokzhalat and most of his remaining crew should escape the way you mentioned, and the Salsetthe away team escapes through a captured Drone. I was also thinking that they take one Imperial captive, extract any useful information out of them using their equivalent of Romulan mind probes, but a bit more sophisticated. After they have retrieved any useful information from the prisoner, you could mention that the individual is transported to a Salsetthe facility while unconscious, and their mind and information that's in their brain is uploaded into a sophisticated computer simulation resembling Portal.
 * I like the idea of the Borg acquiring some Dalek technology and assimilating it. Better yet, an assimilated Dalek. :D 21:35, October 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sounds good, and with the body armor that they wear almost all the time and with their scales which are partially composed of silica, they won't have to worry about much as long as their personal shields remain up. For some of the other stuff they use, it's on this page, and they won't be able to set up any sentry guns/turrets in the time allotted, and due to the fact that they'll be moving relatively fast through the interior of the ship. I would assume that the ion autoblaster bolts are from the personal weapons of the Faratann guards and not the internal defense systems, which would probably be knocked offline during the battle. I'm starting to get some ideas about the in-ship battle, but how close is the main reactor to the bridge or command center of the Apalos?
 * It would still work, as they cut them off from their collective or whatever, and if they do resist, there's always their telepathic abilities, which can be something like the Letheans if they have to do anything to ease the process of extracting information. However, it wouldn't be lethal, it would most likely just knock them unconscious.
 * That's an interesting thing to bring up. 02:27, October 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes.
 * I was assuming that the internal defense systems would've been knocked offline during the battle.
 * Let me think a bit more about how the ship could be destroyed from the inside out, and what might be in there that would be worth sacrificing yourself for?
 * Maybe, but it's relatively straightforward. It might be interesting what happens after the individual gets probed. 23:17, October 7, 2010 (UTC)

new grox wars
May I join?-Richardson72

Re:
I just don't have time.

But I am answering:

1: Dei'Ar Theocracy.

2: Probably.

- Emperor Imperios 18:51, October 6, 2010 (UTC)

An idea
Maybe I can create in-game Imperials? - Emperor Imperios 08:48, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

Re:The Great Rising
Can't you change it Ghelae?  BNSCLeader  15:16, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

Re:Message
Sorry I took so long to reply, I repeatedly forgot to do so. :P


 * Yes, I think it would still fit as a sort of ion cannon.
 * I haven't decided yet, but probably not. And of course they have plenty of ships left, they only lost about 10-15% of their ships dedicated to the Galactic Core, despite their heavy involvement in the war. 13:54, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

Dronox
Whatever happened to the Dronox in SporeWiki fiction? I came in late April this year, so I wouldn't really know. Lucario of the Gods (talk 11:41, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

Are the Dronox active in the New Grox Wars, as I haven't had the chance to read it. Lucario of the Gods (talk 11:50, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

In that case, are you or the Randomness controlling them in the New Grox Wars, as I would like to get involved somehow but without getting the Zazane involved, as I am leaving them out of most wars until the new year, when theirs will start. The only war the Zazane are participating in is the Second Ottzello Galactic War. Lucario of the Gods (talk 12:01, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

Well, my idea was that my part of the stories focus on the ground forces of the Grox, the Dronox. My parts would tell the story of a Conqrix commander leading his troops into large battles on the ground. I am not good at making chapters based around space battles, but I am good at making chapters based on individuals on the battlefield, in this case a Conqrix commander. Also, are there various Conqrix commanders, or is there only one? Lucario of the Gods (talk 12:21, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

Can you share your station?
Could you share your Hyperluminal Defense Station please? I want to make a size comparison poster (an uploaded image composed of several size comparisons) based on the starship dimensions, and I would like to include your station, that is, if you are okay with that.

Maybe your right, with both drones and quantum resonance charges being transphasic missiles. I was always of drones being a bit more exotic, considering they appear to be both torpedoes and energy weapons, being built by the Ancients. But they could still be a more advanced kind. Wormulon  Talk to me  20:14, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you! I'm half way to completing the chart now btw. Wormulon  Talk to me  22:45, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I've completed and uploaded the chart, if you want to see it on my blog. Wormulon  Talk to me  12:34, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

How to contact you?
I wonder, is there any way to contact you other than SporeWiki? BTW, I have replied in Q and A blog! - Emperor Imperios 16:54, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

Standard Blah Technology
You should make more pages like the Standard Propulsion Technology page. There are very cool. 11:17, October 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, and I was thinking one about Starship defintions or defense technology might be cool. Wormul.png Wormulon   Talk to me  12:27, October 29, 2010 (UTC)

Since two different people have posted here, I may as well reply here as well. I suppose defence technology might be a good option. There are several different types of shielding, and so far, the standard tech pages have only particularly dealt with electromagnetic deflector shields. For starship types... I have had some ideas about different classifications of starship, but I'd probably have to make a blog about that before making the page. 13:39, October 29, 2010 (UTC)

Yes of course, a blog would be clever. Now, I was thinking. My Physics of the Universe page starts off with known science but is meant to suppoort fictional extensions. I think the Standard Model applies to the known normal particles quite well (which we could use for the known particles), but there is still plenty of exotic particles, that exist in theory. I think tetryons and chronons would be Beyond the Standard model: supersymmetry, technicolour, even more generations, magnetic monoples, Z primes, preons and who knows what else! Of course, I imagine civilizations far in advancement of ours, would have better classification systems. The idea that particles are particles is already outdated. They seem to exist as a fuzz of probability, knots, strings or loops or simply interactions in higher dimensions.

So, how about we could create something similar to the Standard model for normal particles, but we would have to classify the others in a new one. Tetryons, as mentioned in Memory Alpha, can only exist in subspace (and become unstable in realspace). This is much like how tachyons are thought to exist in the multiverse, creating regions of false and true vacuums (which could create universes). As for Chronitons, or chronons, I doubt they are particles of time, but perhaps they disort spacetime in a unique way, or effect time in higher dimensions. So now I can see a simple model in my mind, Subspace particles. Like gravitons are thought to be, if we consider (well I do in my fic) string theory, they could be "closed loops" that are not bound to our brane/universe. And exist mostly in the bulk (or as sci-f calls it, subspace). Inside subspace (a higher dimensions, 4th or 5th at least) is where there are different universes. Star Trek mentions "layers" and higher dimensional features like sandbars and all sorts of things, in each layer perhaps, the laws of physics in each are altered. But any, I'm seem to be going on a tangeant again about Multiverses. So basically, I think the new particles should be arranged into different categories, and on another note, I think I'll have to redo the physics of the universe, and split it.

As for your question: due to the laws of conservation, when the the down quark decays into up quark, a neutral particle must be created, this is the neutrino. As for both the neutrino and the electron, they are created by a W boson, which mediates the weak nuclear force. When it is emitted, the down quark turns into and up quark,and then the W particle decays. Wormulon  Talk to me  16:59, October 29, 2010 (UTC)

Interstellar Drive
Hello Ghelae, I hope it is alright that I used your image on an interstellar drive on the Interstellar travel. You can remove it if you wish!-- Um2k9  This has happened before...  17:42, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

Re True Aliens
Yes, that sounds like a good idea. Especially considering that Cyrannus is much larger then the Milky Way. It sounds very interesting.-- Um2k9  This has happened before...  16:01, October 31, 2010 (UTC)

Truly alien fic
hey there, just wanted to say I really like truly alien :) Keep it up!-- 21:07, November 2, 2010 (UTC)

Minor fiction invitation
I know that the Girdo are not members of the Civilized galaxy, however, they are allied through the Seven Starr Alliance. The idea is based on your Truly Alien fiction (and my Tier U). In one of the Civilization's goals, the must try an establish communication with these shadowy life forms. The Girdo could help study and comminicate with these life forms (you can read in detail here). It is only a short fiction, but could be quite interesting, like making contact with neutron star-life and so on, stories like Dragon's Egg or when the First Contact with weird life is made in Star Trek. Also, I've written my plans for future fiction related to it on my blog. Wormulon  Talk to me  22:59, November 2, 2010 (UTC)

Cool, we both must share a common interest! Yes, your idea is quite good, and fits in well with the perhaps the ancient races' doings. Perhaps some of this could be revealed in First Contact. Its about time I started to use Fahler a bit more, and I've already mentioned that there is possibly some very weird lifeform that resides there. So usaing Fahler is possible too.

Here is some ideas I've come up with. The Lagross Rift is worth of more study, although the Tokzhalan are probably more ahead in their understanding than anyone else is. Some of my ideas are probably not quite Truly Alien.
 * More Gas Giant life - Now these must well known by now (and aren't Truly Alien), but I've read about the possibility of floaters miles wide living in the dephs (near to where the gas is compressed into ocean). I guess not many can venture far into the dephs of a gas giant.
 * Holographic camoflarge - I don't know how possible this is, but creatures could use holographic like patterns on theit skin to confuse predators.
 * Grazing carnivores - Again, not Truly Alien but still different to whats been written. I envisioned carnivores that grazed on simple jelly-like animals (on land) that can radidally reproduce or recreate themselves like the hydra.  They are easy prey, fed on by carnivores, who have 4 eyes, two facing forward to catch prey, and two on the side to detect possible predators of predators.  Since it grazes, there might be sufficient energy going up the food chain.
 * A world dominated by plant-animal organisms which have a strange telepathic connection. No, I didn't base this on Pandora, and its telewpathic communication is less sublte and more obvious.  Perhaps intelligent ecosystems.
 * Moving onto more Truly Alien life. I had the idea for water-based lifeforms (and they are seen elsewhere, like a movie Abyss or the Qax from the Xeelee Sequence).  True, due to the nature of water, this is almost impossible, but there could be solutions.  A 95%-based water creature is probably possible but pushing it (plants and jellyfish are 90% water) If they had some jelly-like structures, captillary action flowing the neccesary nuttients could be possible.  I never say impossible anyway.
 * A world with giant single-celled lifeforms, perhaps using hydrogen (and a planets weaker gravity), these can float into space. Perhaps this is the homeworld of the Space Amobea?  Although my idea isn't new, just a coincidence.
 * Life on stars and neutron stars - Like in the Flux or Dragon's Egg. Even Stethen Hawking mentioned starlife briefly in his recent documentary.
 * Gravitational-based life - Lives in the dense regions of space, or in mass shadows. These lifeform's atomic structure is not of hadrons, but of singularities or exotic matter.  I imagine these have weird properties.

And as for Tier U, it isn't strictly for Truly Alien life, simply for lifeforms that evolved intelligence in a different way, or have societies and percieve the world very differently to normal like-minded aliens. Something like the Meistersingers. Wormulon  Talk to me  19:07, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

I recently created an adventure Life on a Gas Giant BTW if you want to play it. The floating creatures actually float! Hmm, yes, that does put giant mircrobes into question. I remember reading though, that sometimes newly evolved life forms and niches actually die out in competition with older forms. If we use them, there could be some environmental reason why. You can join the Girdo if you want! And finally, I think the Cephalodians quest for Cosmospawn could also be included. It might be one of thoxse things where the Cephalodians get close to the real truth to whether Cosmospawn is right or is debunked, but never quite prove or disprove it. Wormulon  Talk to me  00:31, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

Yes I have in fact. One is similar to Gaia theory (Ewya, Zonoma Sekot, or the living star from Doctor Who, even Earth some believe) - a living planet that has evolved intelligence? Something like a natural Matrioshka brain. Or, an ancient AI god who has ownership over the planet. Whast I find most interesting is that it is ingame pretty much, either there was just a set of unfortunate coincidences or the planet is glitched. I never fly there, my game even crashed on it. Wormulon  Talk to me  19:14, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

The DCP also is considering to destroy this cused planet, however, perhaps a powerful force stops them from doing so. With renewed interest, the DCP sends a small research team (cloaked to start with), but rthe mystery and drama will unfold. Oh dear, this sounds like the Ghosts of Mars, although again, I only just realized. :/  Wormulon   Talk to me  19:17, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

Ah, interesting idea! And is quite compatible with my AI approach! Sounds good to me. Wormulon  Talk to me  20:07, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

War request
Could you please writer a battle (with a pic) about al of th Imperials (tokzhalan, Daleks, Kralgons, Vartekians & Imperial alliance) fight to break throuhg the outer defences of Sector 932a? Basicaly huge plasma cannons, traps, laser cannons and a bunch of other stuff you can think of :P

Either way I'd like this to be a large attack, I was thinking something like a diversion, some superweapon and destroying a planet which generates the shield and weapons (or a star where the energy comes from). Can you do that please?-- 08:57, November 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * I should probably mention the treaty, although the Ottzello story hasn't caught up with the treaty so I'd say the treaty is at the end of the war. And I do like the idea of peaceful tech :3 and soz that you dont have motivs or time, I'm in the same situation here :3-- 12:45, November 6, 2010 (UTC)

Particloids
Well, particles aren't really particles anyway, there isn't much analogy in the expewrienced world. We are beginning to identify other kinds of particle-like phenomena (like quasi-particles and sparticles) so I'm fine with them. Also, notice that the Higgs Boson - although classified as a guage boson - is not a force carrier (like W & Z, photons etc).

Let me think of how to relaate photons and W/Z bosons. The Higgs Boson is often seen as a field that gives space a "texture" Imagine a corrugated sheet of metal. Massless particles, likle the photon travel along the hidden corrugations easily, while mass particles are more hindered, having to travel along the side, jumping over each corration. Tachyonic particles simply travel through or over. The thing is, photons don't have mass, and W/Z particles do. But, what if there is a particle, that can transform the guage bosons? During the early era of our universe, the temperature was high enough that all the forces were one superforce mediated by one superparticle (I call it the Zeus particle). This particle perhaps was split into four (maybe more if we consider 5 or more forces*) by a particleoid, perhaps this is the Dezon, which can transform the guage bosons into different force mediators, forcing them to travel across the corrugated higgs field in a certain way that gives rise to their mass properties.

In the table below, I've added some extra particles. It seems nature does have several similar particles in the same category.

* We should also consider some more forces (more guage bosons), there are several theoretical ones and we could think up of ones to support certain technologies.

-- Wormulon  Talk to me  12:51, November 6, 2010 (UTC)

So, the particloids are like "field particles" (real life analogy would be goldstone bosons, essentially the same thing). The Zeus particle is the grand particle which split into the different forces when the dezon field is present. Meanwhile, I've been thinking of another model of particles, the subspace particles.

You realize we are discussing a model for hypothetical particles as well! :D Next we must discuss composite particles, things like exotic atoms, omicrons, Q-balls and monople matter have been metioned (by me lol except for omicron radiation and omega atoms by Randomness). Wormulon  Talk to me  13:29, November 6, 2010 (UTC)

So how the particloids interact, is what gives rise to the particles? I still prefer the idea of them being more like fields (otherwise the elementary particles will them be composite-like), and how the particles propagate through them is based on how the fields mediate spin etc.
 * So we have a Dezon field, which does basically what your suggesting - different interactions in the Dezon field gives rise to different force carriers.
 * Chronon field regulates the spin of particles. Perhaps some quantum effect occurs that can interefere with spacetime in some way (or that they too operate in higher dimensions with more degrees of freedom in spacetime).
 * Higgs field - What we've talked about.
 * Electric charge - Still needs work.

These fields would then interplay, breaking the "Zeus particle". The Zeus particle once broken would then interact with these fields as well (so the Higgs field combines the with the Dezon field, which breaks the Zeus particle into a graviton). Or, the Higgs particles and other particiloids are all Dezon fields, the different states opf the field could be similar to your second idea, how 1 dezon is mass, two is electric chage, 3 is colour force etc. That is a very good observation actually, might relate to the real world maybe hmmm...
 * And with antimatter and colour charges, yes that is quite interesting. This remoinds me of the concept of preons (although not quite the same).

As for subspace particles: -- Wormulon  Talk to me  18:38, November 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * So if they exist, it could be the Majorons and X/Y bosons would break the symmetry of the particleoids.
 * Dimensional particles basically are not confined to our dimension, so the the particloids that give rise to the extradimensional particles could probably be closed loops. What I meant by "leaky", was that (well some of my fic assumes string theory or something similar) is that these leaky particles are like closed loops, able to leak through dimensions dispersing their strength over many.  So, what sets whether the particle is leaky, confined to subspace or realspace could be how the particles are confined.
 * Yes, the inflaton-type particles are in a different catagory altogether. Although for dark energy, I think that (and some newer areas of science) that dark energy is something "outside" the universe (and isn't really an energy).  Something like a shadow brane which could be tugging on our universe.
 * Omega molecules I was thinking could be in the realm of exotic matter (so could perhaps psuedometal).
 * Things like Q-balls are solitons. They don't seem to be individual particles, more like a blob of bosons.  What I like about them is that they can generate antimatter ad can also explain how the DCP can interefere with the weak force in stars.  CERN scientist Bran Cox suggested that an infection of q-balls could destroy a star.  I imagine things like quasi-particles, ceriain forms of exotic matter and omicron radiation are not individual particles themselves, but interactions between them.
 * Monople matter is of course, made of monoples. Being much smaller than normal atoms, monoples are denser and stronger.  Probably a form of degenerate matter, and could make giant megastructures possible.  A similar thing is depicted in several other fictions like Magmatter and in real life Condensed Matter physics (although again, the description is a little different).

BTW, I've started a page a while back - Particle zoo, as I think it's better off as a subpage. The only stuff I've added is about the basic description on what they could be according to different physics and interpretations, and a small exploration into quantum mechanics. Wormulon  Talk to me  18:59, November 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, I suppose there is an infinite number of ways to look at the same sort of thing. I prefer fields, your prefer composites it doesn't matter.  Two rival theories, String theory and Quantum Loop Gravity are in fact edging closer and closer together.  Before M-theory, physicists had the problem of which string theory to go for.
 * Hmm, give me some time to think on charge (I probably would have thought up a solution). I often spend a lot of time re-thinking abut what I've learned when it comes to science and philosophy and then debating in my head!
 * By expansion-related, do you mean Inflatons? Yes, I think it would be best to categorise the ones we have most discussed first, and then the ones left over can be classified afterward.
 * Agreed, editing the Particle zoo later is more logical.
 * Finally in this post, there is one very important class (possibly) - supersymmetry. Superparticles, or sparticles, parter fermions and bosons and play interesting roles in quantum gravity.  But even more interestingly, they could have had something to do with how the forces were split and other interactions.   This means they might have some fundamental involvement in the Dezon mechanism, in the way the field breaks the symmetry of forces (Zeus particle).  The particiloids would have their own superpartners too (being "goldstone" bosons, I've found thats the real-life term BTW), so there would be the higgsino, the sdezons and the schronons.

As I've said, the field particiloids all interplay on each other, effecting how the bosons work. The sparticle's role would be creating the symmetries of particles, and this is done with not one particle on its own, instead every particle has its shadow pair. The supersymmetry broke as the universe cooled (broken by the Dezon mechanism) which seperated the forces. The Dezon Mechanism, is based on the Higgs mechanism (which does a similar real-life role), but since they are both field particles it doesn't change much. Ad I agree, I also like to think of terms in real life, our own idea is not too far from the real-world theories, so its pretty close! Wormulon  Talk to me  02:11, November 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * I was thinking that the particiloid responsible for electric charge could be the chargon, and the colour force the flavourons, considering quark colours are often called them.
 * The Chronon would be a goldstone boson (or our name). It is hard to think about its counterpart.  I think the property for the weak force is hypercharge or weak isospin, so the hypercharge particoiloid would probably be a hyperfield.  Not quite sure what the chronons counterpart could be.
 * Subspace particles? Yes, I think branons go well for that.  I think that subspace is possibly the "bulk" that seperates braneworlds (subspace layers).  Each brane contains more Type I, II and III universes.  Either that, or subspace is on the brane afterall, but between expanding universes.  Tachyons are bosons, so I think tachyonic particles could go well there.
 * The X/Y boson and Majoon seem perfect for that role as they break symmetries anyway in particle physics.
 * It seems the Zeus particle will have to a guage, because if it was on the other side, as a goldstone boson, then the force meduators would be on that side too. Yes, I think it could be the counterpart of the Dezon.  The Branon's counterpart could be tachyonic particles since stable tachyons don't really exist in this dimension.

Note that there doesn't have to be one particle in each as we see with W/Z bosons. Many partoicles could have the same interactions To add the others, we would probably make another section next to it.

-- Wormulon  Talk to me  14:41, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

Oh! And about Fahler! Yes, I'm going to merge both our ideas. Fahler is indeed an AI that is in control of the nature reserve, however, it is also a living planet, which is looked after by digital life forms - computing life, that use powerful reality-warping defences. I was thinking,could the ancient civilization that constructed the nature reserve be the Xyanaxes. Although we already have "First One" and "Forerunner-like" like races, they are either too distant to effect much or are refined to the galaxy. The Xynaxes could be the SW Universe's primary ancients along with the Naucean. The other existing First One-like races are confined to the Milky Way in terms of usage and the extradimensional beings don't actually fill that role much (more god-like). The Xynaxes were probably like the Celestials, building ancient structures like the Plazith Rim nature reserve. I read that they were connected to the IDB, meaning they might be higher up the Tier scale than I believed? Wormulon  Talk to me  20:53, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

So they are the IDB? Cool, I better update my blog. Wormulon  Talk to me  21:55, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

RE: Reverting the Source Page
Oh, thanks! I'll do that in the future. I'm going to the Q&A now. 11:29, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

-- Wormulon  Talk to me  20:49, November 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Flavouron/colouron, it doesn't matter.
 * Spinion's lol? Probably not a very imaginative name.
 * Hmm, yes, what we do with the weak interaction is diificult. Perhaps it could be the last particle we should classify.
 * Supersymmetry could be in another model (there are still more particles to think about).
 * I was thinking that symmetry breaking could be related to the force mediation - simply a different dezon. Or, I was thinking about the Zeus particle, but I can't fit it in there easily.
 * Perhaps we are approaching this wrongly when we are putting all four of the interacions into the same table as the other properties. The Zeus particle could be a particiloid, that gives rise to three of the four forces, which in the presence of the Dezon field creates the Dezon mechanism that splits the unified particles apart (decays into force particles).  Particoilids create the forces, force carriers carry them, but wuthout the Dezon field to brea the Zues field, they are all one force.  But then what about Higgs, and gravity?  Gravity I think shouldn't be carried by the Zeus as it doesn't fit (the graviton's counterpart would be the Higgs field), I think we have hit the same brick wall in real physics (but I think adopting string theory can help us there).  We will either have to go beyond to quantum gravity theories or non-graviton theories for that.  :/
 * I think the fact that axions attracting colourons sounds like the description of a gluon anyway. However, I think for gluons to work, they have no mass, electric charge or weak charge, while axions do (they are the oppsite).  I fear such a change would change the structure of nature entirely.  Maybe I'm forgetting something we discussed (remind me because I can't find the bit on Axions you mentioned), but I read that axions don't have a strong interaction.  So I'm not sure what to do there.  I feel it would be better to keep gluons, but since axions have electric/weak interactions (electroweak force), perhaps they could be on the symmetry model.
 * Yes, the branons could be different string types that decay into lower resonances when they enter our dimension.
 * Perhaps the symmetry model should be seperate, this incldes Instantons (which are used in supersymmetry). Kaluza-Klein towers are compactified superstrings ( I read elsewhere) in the tenth dimension, so yeah they are something else.


 * Yes, I always leave the hardest until last. I'm sure we will think up some good names.
 * Dezons: Yeah, that sounds like it could work, different interactions could "display" the Zeus particleoid differently, with the Zeus being the name of unified dezons!
 * The Axion just doesn't seem like it would fit, but I think it has conncetions with symmetry, perhaps, when the electric and weak forces merge (electroweak), that dezon could be callec a Axion.
 * Yes, we could take inspiration from lots of theories out there on gravity. While String theory proposes that they are closed loops, that can filter through dimensions, while the other forces are open strings.  However, that doesn't seperate them from other forces.  The thing is, if we say the Zeus is the Dezon, then it makes the problem with the Higgs particle being there.
 * Unless we decide gravity doesn't exist at all - Strength of Gravity, Speed of Light].

While I like to use String/M-theory in my fiction, I like to maintain that aren't fundamental, I imagine the physics of a Tier 1 civilization has uncovered vast new areas of science, so the DCP have discovered stuff beyond. So while it explains how gravity is weak, we will have to find, come up or deny gravity and what actually differs it from the other forces.

So now we have: -Mass/gravity = Higgs

-Force mediator:Zeus = Unified Dezon, can change into lesser dezons due to interactions.

-Chronon = spin

-Branon = Dimensional propagation

Now we need to work out symmetry and symmetry breaking particles. Perhaps expansion particles are related to them? Wormulon  Talk to me  01:16, November 10, 2010 (UTC)

-- Wormulon  Talk to me  18:35, November 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think it is much neater that way.
 * As for gravitons, thats the main idea. The extradimensions on this universe's braneworld are curled up very tiny, to the quantum level, that is how gravity fits into the subatomic world.  See this.  So I agree with the Higgs-dezon-branon model.
 * That sounds like it would work very well with our model.


 * Naming the mediator of the chronon is difficult.
 * I don't know much about particle spin, but as I was reading about Majoron's, I found they have 0 spin. Could this mean they are particiloid/field particle?  I image chronons ony effect the resulting partticles, not individual particiloids.  It will mean we will have to think about its mediator.  Unless, we decide, only the force particiloids  and branons have mediators, yet that doesn't seem like a complete model.  Thats all I can think about, for now.  Wormul.png Wormulon   Talk to me  19:37, November 10, 2010 (UTC)

This may not be very relevant to this discussion (but I'm showing you it because parts of it relate to how strings interact, and sypersymmetry as we talked about), but I've combined many of theories and fiction used on the wiki to define a "map" of the omiverse that I've uploaded. Includes hyperspace and subspace, and dimensions used in fiction here, as well as things like the Omniverse, holographic principle etc. But another thing, I recently read that there might be another brane where supersymetry exists, and Shadow branes, which might be responsible for dark matter and dark energy).  Wormulon   Talk to me  23:11, November 12, 2010 (UTC)




 * Since we are working with fields replated to the Higgs, the particiloids can interact much like they do in the Giggs mechanism, since perhaps the geometry or the shapes of the fields can effect each other, creating particiloid patterns. Wormul.png Wormulon   Talk to me  12:34, November 13, 2010 (UTC)

Redirected mishap
Oh, I see the mistake. It can be easily undone. Wormulon  Talk to me  16:48, November 19, 2010 (UTC)